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Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
19hr ago
The dog has no capacity to understand the role of an "actor"
You think the dogs running on treadmills to turn spits in Victorian England “understood” how their motive power was being transferred through cogs and widgets to procure a homogeneous meat temperature so the Earl of Chelmsford could entertain his dinner guests with delicious roast? Come on, requiring that a dog understand its role in order for its work to be morally permissable is ludicrous.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
19hr ago
Citizens shouldn’t have to worry about being detained for even a few hours by federal agents just because those agents randomly decide your license is fake, especially in a country like this where limiting government overreach was a core value of our constitution.
I agree. Unfortunately we are in a state of exception, because a large proportion of the people within our borders are not supposed to be here, and until very recently they were coming in at a faster rate than we could kick them out. Once there are almost no illegal aliens in our country, I will gladly join you in support of strengthened civil liberties to prevent ICE overreach (coupled with extremely strict and aggressive border controls, of course!).
hydroacetylene
19hr ago
I have a pair of aodad horns in my garage(not attached to the skull). Does anyone have any experience making drinking horns? Especially from a ram.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
19hr ago
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I'm implying that ethnic spoils systems aren't a particularly interesting or significant part of what's going on with NYC or LA. If you ask people "what is New York an engine of" or "what is LA an engine of" you're very unlikely to get an answer like "ethnic spoils" even from the most race realist types.
places with high numbers of illegals are dirty, overcrowded, dysfunctional, and foreign, in addition to them having higher crime and being generally low-trust
This sounds like a problem that can be solved through the approach of "don't live in such places". There are plenty of such places. I will say, having grown up in a majority-hispanic area of southern california that "overcrowded, dysfunctional, and foreign" is not a description that fits LA very well. LA is a sprawling, wealthy, soulless suburb stretching to the horizon with occasional pockets of city sprinkled throughout.
even willing to commute multiple hours to live outside of these places
People who commute for hours into LA are largely doing it because they're priced out of anywhere closer, not because they're trying to get away from immigrants. The exurbs have more immigrants, not fewer - e.g. Victorville (most stereotypical LA exurb) is 55% hispanic and only 18% white.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
19hr ago
what if they accidentally pick up a US citizen
Cost of doing business. I don't care. As a normal middle class person with a job who isn't tatted up or dressed like a thug, ICE is literally a 0% threat to me or any people I know or care about.
Again, what if the government makes you a lawbreaker? This is such myopic thinking. These are terrible precedents. This is literally the definition of the "first they came for" quote but you're just super confident it'll only be the first step.
It's not myopic it all, in fact the liberal scales have fallen from my eyes and I see clearly. The Left is going to eventually come for me anyway, and in fact they have already been boiling the frog for decades. No matter how hard the Right contorts itself to please the Left, it will never be enough. A lot of Leftists would already like to declare me a lawbreaker for my gun ownership, political and religious beliefs, and educational choices for my own children. They just haven't gotten the right tyrant in the power yet. They have a religious view of Progress and a Manichaean worldview that divides people into Decent Human Beings and chuds. Chuds deserved to be silenced, disarmed, barred from employment separated from their own children (who will be forcibly converted into Decent Human Beings by state education)..
Sure, but then you can't complain when I call your guy a retard and his policies terrible. If you want to have low standards that's fine, but I get to point at them and call them terrible. Your standards suck.
I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here. He's a "retard" because... he's doing what he was elected to do less than perfectly? Does "retard" here just mean "MAGA shitlord" or is there a more specific meaning you intended? To me, a retard (here I mean "foolish or naive person") would be trying to deport people with the best possible optics in attempt to please both sides while failing to accomplish anything of note because he'd be using a bureaucratic state full of hostile partisans. Under this definition, Trump is clearly not a "retard." Optics and decorum have been effectively weaponized by the Left, and only a retard would allow his supporters' agenda to be stymied by accusations of "racism" or "14 heartbreaking photos"-style manipulation.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. I am not very pro-immigration myself. I am mildly distressed I guess, but mainly because I feel kind of like I'm screaming into the void as a centrist.
You know, I am actually sympathetic to distressed centrists. I never wanted to be an angry partisan, and I am in fact weary and a little ashamed of my partisan thoughts and feelings. At heart I am a disappointed liberal. My world was more pleasant when I thought my fellow countrymen and I just had the same fundamental conceptions of goodness and justice, and we merely disagreed over the best ways to realize both. But it seems undeniable that the worldview of a large segment of the Left and the majority of the Right are actually incompatible and irreconcilable, and the Left believes in their political position with religious fervor. And so, in a great irony, the descendants of those religious men who laid down their arms and embraced Liberalism in order to end all holy wars must now arm themselves against a fanatical religious movement which is the fruit of that same Liberalism.
Butlerian
Not robot-ist just don't like 'em
19hr ago
because the dog has been bred for hundreds of thousands of years for subservience.
You are using the fact that the dog’s nature is to find serving humans agreeable, as an argument that the dog’s life serving humans is disagreeable?
ulyssessword
19hr ago
Thanks.
Yup, that's pretty much as described. "Shouts at" is a bit of a stretch, but that's just a nitpick.
MaximumCuddles
The world-spirit texting on the toilet
19hr ago
I think omnipresent surveillance has pushed it even lower class than is otherwise natural, as it’s never been easier to get into legal trouble for brawling due to the ease of recording and the social & psychological incentive to do so.
Likelihood of facing consequences is higher and the penalty is more severe.
It’s why I think every teenage and adult man should engage in some sort of combat sport and / or semi risky and preferably outdoor endurance sport like mountain biking, trail running, rock climbing, etc.
Danger is to the male brain like salt is to the diet; no intake is extremely harmful, moderate amounts are beneficial, and too much is inevitably fatal over the long run.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
19hr ago
It's not really a lack of a market clearing price, but if the supply curve is very flat, behavior that looks like that can happen. Suppose there are 10000 people willing to do a job from any price from $10/hr to $100/hr. And there are 3 employers willing to hire a 3333 people for any price between $10/hour and $50/hour. Market clearing price is $10/hour and one person is unemployed. Now another employer pops up, also willing to hire 3333 people for between $10 and $50. At first they offer $11, and they fill all their positions while the other 3 employers end up understaffed. Those employers offer $12 to fill their positions. The new employer offers $13, and so on -- the market clearing price eventually reaches $50 and a bunch of positions go unfilled. And if any of those employers decide they can pay more than $50 (but less than $100), all they do is move the people around and end up at a higher equilibrium price.
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
19hr ago
Well, yes, that's the contractarian view. Certainly, I oppose laws against people behaving cruelly to their own* animals, with a few exceptions for the animals that legitimately are capable of engaging in reciprocity.
*Cruella de Vil is still not okay, as while I don't see the puppies as having inherent value and being ends-in-themselves, they're valuable to the Dearlys/Radcliffes in both economic and sentimental ways, and she conspired to steal and destroy them.
chooky
19hr ago
I have very nice neighbors who trained or tried to train a dog to stop barking inside with one. I live in a very normy, probably even slightly upper middle class, burb.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
19hr ago
I like to think I might do that, but it's much more likely that I would autistically lock in and just deliver the right answer according to the rules of the game.
ControlsFreak
19hr ago
there is no market clearing price for first world citizens doing a variety of shitty jobs- you can reallocate the limited supply by offering more money, but you cannot get them fully staffed.
This is, frankly, absurd. It must misunderstand both components, supply and demand. How is this supposed to work? Does demand for such workers not slope downward? (I would think that as the price of such labor increases, the quantity demanded would go down, as the price of the ultimate products would have to go up, reducing the consumer demand, in turn.) Does supply for such workers not slope upward? How would this work? Are you somehow going to entice fewer workers to take those jobs by offering $X+1 instead of $X?
DiscourseMagnus
19hr ago
or telling your kids that Santa Claus is real is child abuse
"Child abuse" is poorly defined, but lying to your children is definitely bad, and I don't think this is nearly the trivial matter that people usually think of it as.
hydroacetylene
19hr ago
I'm not going to write paens to Hassan's treatment of his dog. But its littermates are probably underfed in a junkyard.
hydroacetylene
19hr ago
Dogs attacking their owner is not an unusual story. Now, you, motteizean, can find a lower-paid and much easier job working from home. Fake Amazon reviews or something. This dog does not have that option. I'm not crying for it; a personal protection dog(which is probably what that cross was made for) is probably a worse fate than that. But it is just factually untrue that it could have left and found a different gig.
Eupraxia
Of all words spoken, all things read / most true was that which went unsaid
19hr ago
It is a perfectly reasonable observation to make that the features the Japanese (really, almost everyone) generally regard as "cute" have little in common with darker-skinned phenotypes. Darker-skinned populations have Noticed this for a long time, alongside related phenomena concerning group status, and take quite major offense to it. Despite the promise of equality given by the dismantling of explicitly discriminatory systems, these humiliating phenomena remain. Hence, it is not enough to be merely not-racist; one must be actively anti-racist.
hydroacetylene
19hr ago
I would assume based on that cross it was backyard bred and would have been sold to someone to use for protection, which likely entails worse treatment than Hassan is giving.
I wouldn't, personally, use a dog as a living prop. But I don't think it's beyond the pale.
ulyssessword
19hr ago
I invite you to see the footage for yourself.
Link?
hydroacetylene
19hr ago
Guys get mad at eachother, fight it out, all is well (unless someone suffers a horrible permanent injury, which did happen).
Still happens, a lot. It's just a lower-class marker.
hydroacetylene
20hr ago
I mean, it clearly just means 'nobody with official sanction is allowed to countersignal LGBT'. That is what it means in practice.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
20hr ago
I can imagine a 24 hour fitness type situation is not great for this but all of the smaller gyms I went to that focused on some sport (i.e. wl or pl) obviously had a decent amount of community in them.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
20hr ago
I’m not convinced it needs to be literal fighting. As a species, we’re rapidly retreating from the real world into very different cyber-simulacra of various aspects of our former life. We probably do at least half of our human contact through screens. We play games rather than going outside for real activities. And I think the simulacra, while they give the a bit more of happy brain chemicals as the real thing, they’re not the same. An online friend is not a real friend. An online game is not the same as playing outdoors. Watching videos of places is not the same as visiting those places.
I think a lot of this stuff ends up being a hyperstimulous. They’re releasing more of those happy brain chemicals than the real life version because they’ve removed most of the slower more boring but actually meaningful bits of those things. Your online friends are always there, just whip out the phone and scroll. And they don’t make demands like an offline friend might, nor do they get in bad moods or get mad at you. An offline walk is mostly quiet maybe interesting flowers or birds or a deer or something. Walk around in a video game and you’ll have constant adventures. So the online world wins, and people don’t do as much offline.
I think just about any real world experience that comes along will help. The kids who seem the most mentally stable are athletes who are spending lots of time playing a sport with their actual body, seeing the gradual improvement as they practice and work out, growing into social relationships as they make real world friends on their team and gain tge confidence to talk to people outside of that group. Sports of any type but especially team sports is really good for kids and especially boys.
I will gladly pay twice as much for strawberries or steak in the U.S. if it means Americans get those jobs. I currently live in Japan, and so I'm already essentially doing that. It's really not that bad.
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