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AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
58m ago
Anyone remember that whole "HBD" thing? You don't hear much about it anymore. It makes sense. The new narrative on the Online Right is that there's a huge mass of white men without jobs who have no choice but to inject fentanyl because of "the border" and free trade sending the factories to China. The unemployment rate is only low because these people are so dispirited that they've given up looking for work. We need to drastically remake our economy to help these unfortunates, who are incapable of helping themselves. This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans. They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1] But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites, who all the statistics show have higher incomes, higher IQs, higher educational attainment, and lower unemployment. Even opioid overdose deaths, initially a "white" issue, are now highest for blacks and American Indians, as with most social problems. (Whites do die at higher rates than Hispanics or Asians.) Labor force participation rates have indeed declined, mostly because there are more students and retirees. 89.2% of men aged 25-54 are in the labor force, a figure that is likely higher for whites, and the 11% who aren't include students, prisoners, stay-at-home dads, and those who can't work because of legit disabilities.
The Online Right has often been compared to the woke left. The woke black looks at his race, disproportionately poor, uneducated, and working low-skill jobs, and demands affirmative action so that more blacks can work in medicine, law, business, and politics. The "Woke Rightist" looks at his race, sees a mostly imaginary mass of helpless unemployed drug addicts and demands tariffs so that they can rise to the lofty heights of sewing bras, picking fruit, hauling equipment, and digging ditches in the rain. Is that really what you want your political ideology to be?
Now, you may be asking, "what about the real unemployed drug addicts?" For one, this is a disproportionately non-white group. One study found that blacks are 3.5 times more likely to ever be homeless in their lifetimes than whites, while Hispanics are 1.7 times more likely. Still, while not as common as some of you think, they do exist. Tariffs aren't going to help them. Law enforcement, drug treatment, mental health care, and legalizing SROs might, though the real issue is that these people need to help themselves. If I believed, as many of you profess to, that my race was at risk of going extinct, I wouldn't be centering my politics around helping the least capable members of said race who refuse to help themselves. Don't you have bigger problems? It's not like you should feel any "political" loyalty to them, Trump's working-class base work, homeless people rarely vote.
- The "heritage American" label reminds me of this. Like white people are Ford model-Ts, outmoded machines that nevertheless have aesthetic and historical significance.
TitaniumButterfly
58m ago
Well, I think the burden of proof is much higher for the person who wants to argue that it works this way for every single animal except humans.
To your actual point though adoption studies seem useful.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1hr ago
Yeah, but I thought you were arguing that controlling weed is harder relative to controlling alcohol, and I'm not seeing it.
Also, if potency is just about the female flower thing, how come it increased around the time of it's normalization / legalization? Doesn't that imply that attempts to ban it are actually keeping the potency down?
thejdizzler
1hr ago
Goals for last month went okay. Did my chore spreadsheet successfully, read about 3k pages, saved over 50% (due to an unexpected bonus) and swam and ran what I was supposed to. Did not stay fap free or meditate at all. This month I want to focus more on processes/habits and less on deliverables.
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Figure out triggers of masturbation/porn use and try and cut the problem off at its root. Masturbation may not be all that bad, but I think my perception of women/the ability to relate to the opposite sex has been messed up, and despite ~5 years of trying, I've never kicked this bad habit.
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Be more social. Have social activities planned on at least 3/4 weeknights and one weekend night
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Do one thing at a time. Multitasking is an illusion that hurts both productivity and causes anxiety.
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Replace the default bored or stressed activity of scrolling with either doing nothing (preferred), or reading an easy fiction/pop sci book.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
1hr ago
I think your idea here is plausible, but I have trouble seeing how you'd isolate nature from nurture here for these axes without some industrial-scale twin studies that seem implausible.
TitaniumButterfly
1hr ago
Well, that perspective makes no sense and I've never seen it advocated; only implied by those who don't seem to know what they're talking about.
ZanarkandAbesFan
1hr ago
Occasionally the US tries to do something that actually prioritizes American interests over Israel's, the Israel lobby usually nixes this in the end: the Iran deal for instance.
I mean, the US has never invested ground forces in taking out any military group directly opposing Israel. There are/have been so many of these I'm not sure you could just label them occasional incidences of America not prioritizing Israeli interests at this point.
Merely shutting off aid would be catastrophic for their military,
I'm not sure you understand the actual numbers involved. US annual aid to Israel is $3.8 billion, not a small number, but less than 1% of Israel's GDP. That number has gone up during the recent hostilities, but not to the extent that it would be a catastrophe for Israel to have to pay upfront.
who relies on US provided weapons, satellites, communications and USAF for air defence.
Was this last bit about the USAF some sort of typo?
I'm not dogmatic on whether it's arm-twisting or owning hearts and minds, there's a mix of both going on.
@ArjinFerman There you go.
BreakerofHorsesandMen
Sweet Sejenus
1hr ago
I will just say that I think fertility is a bit of a crisis in a lot of places, but not necessarily in the way people think.
If the concern is “Lowered fertility makes the GDP line stop going up,” that’s not a crisis. GDP lines should be allowed to fluctuate up and down as populations grow and shrink. It’s not the end of the world, especially in the nuclear age.
From that standpoint, there is no deficit that needs to be made up with foreigners. The native population will organically wax and wane over time if not interfered with. It’s only when a lot of foreigners are brought in that a native population might begin to feel pressured to spur increased fertility rates as a way of not being boxed out by invasive newcomers, which creates a fertility crisis.
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
1hr ago
A lot of HBD advocates in spaces like these do want it to just be about IQ, and a lot of people who call themselves pro-HBD will say it is just about IQ. It's one fracture on the DR regarding the Jewish Question, for example.
jkf
1hr ago
The US government did try pretty hard for like 50 years and failed abjectly, so it must at least be... fairly hard? I'm prepared to accept "both are above the threshold of hardness that the richest most powerful nation in the world can accomplish"?
barristan_selmy
1hr ago
The exact word for this kind of randomness is serendipity.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1hr ago
Gotta say that looks quite cool!
You probably explained it earlier, but I don't recall catching it, is there any particular reason you're doing rendering from scratch (are you? that's the impression I'm getting)? Just to learn how the stuff works?
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1hr ago
Little to tinkering this week, maybe some bugfixes. How are you doing @Southkraut?
iprayiam3
1hr ago
It has everything to do with your post; it is a counterthesis to the quoted question.
You're basically complaining that there isn't a reasonable 'win condition' against the scolds scolding him, and I am extrapolating on that.
An old fat lady, may have been relatively better percieved, because it could have engendered some 'love is love' sentimentatily.
But mostly, the idea of a rich guy disrupting marriages with children and taking other people's women (whether that's literally another man's wife, or a more figurative, crowding the market of young hot chicks for single guys) ends up producing an aversion response in a large fraction of people.
But modernity can't out and say that, so the complaints about Bezos's are being laundered through secondary issues.
Does that clear up the response, or were you just itching to sneer at a percieved suggestion that adultery is bad and couldn't be bothered to post it anywhere relevant?
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1hr ago
No, more like putting the fruit in some sort of carboy, adding yeast, monitoring fermentation, etc -- do you really think it would not have been possible to charge somebody for doing this during prohibition based on the "I just like to store my fruit that way" defense?
Yes? If nothing else, a reasonable suspicion that someone bought the seeds of an illegal plant make it much easier to get a search warrant, compared to "we saw him buying some fruit the other day". Is it yeast you want to control? The stuff is literally floating in the air. Is it jars and buckets you're planning to criminalize, or are you planning to catch them red-handed in the middle of the onerous task of "monitoring fermentation", also known as "not doing anything, and checking if the thing is still making bubbles after a couple days"?
Really just said ~ "Only white people have a high enough IQ to form democracies".
This is somewhat tangential but it really bugs me that people seem to have decided that HBD is primarily about IQ. It's not. That just happens to be one of the easiest differences to measure.
HBD is also about:
- Hygiene
- Aggression
- Sexual fidelity
- Industriousness
- Impulse control
- Courtship behavior
- Parental investment
- Aesthetic perception
- Tendency to addiction
And pretty much everything else. Personality, instincts, and so on are rooted in the genes. Consider tribalism/clannishness, propensity to corruption, likelihood of ignoring traffic regulations... it just goes on and on.
While I'm at it, I'll note that the founding fathers never intended a universal franchise like we have today. They understood that democracy can only function with a good electorate, which is why they restricted the franchise not just by ethnicity and sex, but also class. This too is HBD.
jkf
1hr ago
Ok, so, like, not like buying fruit legally at the supermarket, as if it's just a regular Tuesday grocery day.
No, more like putting the fruit in some sort of carboy, adding yeast, monitoring fermentation, etc -- do you really think it would not have been possible to charge somebody for doing this during prohibition based on the "I just like to store my fruit that way" defense?
What does it depend on?
Whether there are male plants present and whether flowering is correctly triggered before it gets too rainy (for outdoor growing) causing your weed to become mouldy. The proliferation of different strains these days is at least 80% hipsterism.
On one hand I'll repeat my broken-record line of "don't damn peoples down seven generations", and even though I think genetic group differences are a thing, I'm much more skeptical of sweeping statements about specific groups being incapable organizing in of specific political systems. On the other hand, this is a liberal just-so story that glosses over anything inconvenient, and invents several convenient "facts" to salvage it's own argument.
they all have some past legacy of applied democratic norms, rule of law, parliamentary systems
Ah yes, the long rich democratic tradition of the 20 years between the World Wars, that were imposed by Woodrow Wilson's deranged fantasies, and managed to revert to authoritarianism even within that short timespan. The attachment to democracy was so short that we were seriously debating if it's not better to take the Asian Tiger route, and only implement democracy after authoritarian reforms.
And the question of whether the area of the former GDR was ‘properly’ democratized or not is seemingly an ever thornier one on the minds of West German normies.
Which only shows how democracy is a luxury system. It can work if the stars align just right, but has the tendency of taking it's necessary conditions (like everybody having roughly the same values) for granted. The moment these conditions are not met the democracy enjoyers themselves will start begging for it's end, arresting opposition candidates, and seriously considering the banning of political parties, for the high crime of people voting the wrong way.
JarJarJedi
1hr ago
They might, but it still does not apply to anyone who already has the citizenship, and in fact anyone who has already been born. Moreover, SCOTUS already decided the government can not revoke a lawfully acquired citizenship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk so unless you voluntarily decide to denaturalize, Trump can't do much here.
hydroacetylene
2hr ago
The Greeks actually wrote a lot about the conditions for democracy and what separated Greeks from barbarians in being able to do it.
JarJarJedi
2hr ago
Technically, maybe, but in common usage "dissident" is usually applied to someone who is persecuted by an oppressive, usually totalitarian, government, for their political views. Not somebody who is out of power because his policies and views disgust 99.9% of the population, but still is free to publicly proclaim and propagandize them.
It's like people claiming that since Arabs are Semitic people, opposing Hamas is "akshually anti-Semitic!" Yeah, no, that's not how it works, "akshually".
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
2hr ago
Sure but if this is brought before the SCOTUS they may rule the POTUS only has the authority to do this because the 14th does not confer birthright citizenship to illegal immigrant children.
voters-eliot-azure
patently unbiased
2hr ago
Lmao sure bud. If your definition of socialism is any governmental economic system that punishes rent seeking and rewards productive economic activity then sign me the fuck up and mail me my card - because that's pretty much all I stand for.
voters-eliot-azure
patently unbiased
2hr ago
Alright Jordan Peterson, let's shift the debate to the definition of the word "nuance".
My core point stands uncontested. HBD the theory hides behind HBD the science in order to try to gain legitimacy as a "grand-theory of why the world is the way it is" despite every "grand-theory of why the world is the way it is" being half-baked and not capable of standing up to any critical analysis.
I might be missing something, but I think this disproves your claim rather then proves it? There being a mix of both does not imply that Israel's influence rests on their ability to make the US leadership generally do something against their will.
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