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Texas is freedom land
1hr ago
Is this how most golf carts are registered?
Sounds like a good idea to me. Better than a bike for cargo, and maybe you’d dodge the stigma of a “DUI guy.” How’s the climate where you live? Is A/C optional?
YouEssAyyy
1hr ago
Honestly I was just fired up about the phrase “ethnic cleansing”. Felt like such an insane phrase to use for people moving to the suburbs.
Stellula
1hr ago
no one will miss FSD
FSD drives me door to door on almost every trip I take. I think a lot of people would miss it. Probably all the people who think it’s worth $200/mo would, and even the people paying $100/mo would too.
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
1hr ago
They need to love the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Founding Fathers. They need to be non-violent, prosocial, and always happy to help a neighbor.
The percent of immigrant population would ideally be between 5-10% to accommodate integrating them into our culture without American culture being upended too quickly. Currently the percent of the foreign born population is 13.9%
I would be very sad if the percentage dropped to 0%. We are a nation of immigrants after all. But I would hate for America to stop being America.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
1hr ago
I'm not the best person to answer this question, since I don't dislike immigrants, and the current world is so far away from my perfect one that it renders your ennture question moot, but generally it's about loyalty. Leave your past loyalties behind, and endorse the host population as your tribe, and we're good.
Everything that's talked about around this subject - jerbs, crime, language, culture - is just a proxy for that.
Stellula
1hr ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civis_Romanus_sum
But also: Eric Prince is certainly not a dumb person.
This is like saying, how should an unwanted house guest behave to make him living in my house acceptable to me? There's literally nothing he can do, I do not want him to live in my house. I don't hate you, I just don't want to live with you! Why do you insist not only on living with me (understandable), but claiming that it's wrong for me to have any preference in the matter?
Given that immigrants are not going to stop coming any time soon, the best/most likely course is an informal or quasi-formal caste system that puts social pressure against dysgenic mate selection and social pressure towards eugenic mate selection. That is much more likely than mass deportation, which is an enormous operational and political task.
An informal caste system could be established and transmitted purely memetically, and it's much more plausible. And if there were more radical political measure to be taken, that would have to be a first step in any case. Something like tiered citizenship would only be fathomable if such a memetic system has already taken root deep into public consciousness.
Tiered citizenship would be my preference, even above deportation, but the above would be a pre-requisite for that to be remotely possible. It would reinforce the cultural norms around mate selection. It would gatekeep welfare to people who deserve it and keep incentives aligned.
Lewis2
1hr ago
Maybe. Or maybe two world wars killed off the most valorous Europeans, leaving only the weaker and more docile to have kids. Then consider the demographic changes wrought by two or more centuries of emigration, where the majority of the most cantankerous, adventurous, and ambitious relocated to America. Finally, add in modern birth rates, and it begins to seem somewhat likely that the present-day stock of Europeans is rather different than their forebears of 200–500 years ago.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
1hr ago
And, key to the ethnic cleansing claim, the authorities let it be known they've been told not to stop the violent blacks from terrorizing the whites.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
1hr ago
Work jobs that pay enough in taxes to cover their and their dependents burden on government at all levels, and stop voting for policies that harm me (either to help them, or which help nobody).
BurdensomeCount
Singapore is the only country that learned the correct lessons from the British Empire.
1hr ago
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Not having your demented mother-in-law around the house: Priceless
A simple question then: Why would you marry your wife then if you can't stand your mother in law? Sounds like the western courtship and mate selection process has some issues if mother in law issues are so common. Remember when you marry someone you're not just choosing your spouse but rather you're choosing your inlaws too. We also have lots of mother in law issues in our cultures to the point that the wife/mother in law tussle is one of the staples soap writers use for their dramas, but it's never seen as OK to throw out your elders and generally eventually people find a compromise all the parties are happy with.
Plus your children will get 25% of their DNA from your mother in law, which means they'll probably be somewhat like her. Choosing a mother in law you dislike is indirectly choosing your children to be more predisposed towards traits you dislike compared to a mother in law.
Also you do realise that some day you will be the parent in law getting booted out of the family home to be "cared for" by strangers, yes?
All this reminds me of the opining lines to Gertrude Stein's "The Making of Americans":
Once an angry man dragged his father along the ground through his own orchard. “Stop!” cried the groaning old man at last, “Stop!” I did not drag my father beyond this tree.”
Forgotpassword
1hr ago
Personally I'd much rather productive labor market participants, ideally having a work-related visa contingent on a job paying >80th percentile and with their employer having to provide a clear plan towards how they will in future enable that role to be filled by locals. There are definitely some downsides of this form of migration. I feel that the moment for unskilled/refugee migration has largely passed in developed economy due to the relative lack of jobs fit for purpose, and the modern welfare & medical-welfare states meaning that they are ultimately massive value extractors with multi-generational timeframes to even begin to break even.
It's not like there aren't alternate solutions. I'm not advocating for the West to be literally Qatar when it comes to guest workers, but there is clearly a market for people from the developing world coming to participate in developed economies without a vector for citizenship or participation in the welfare state.
popocatepetl
1hr ago
Forcible transfer of populations is considered a crime against humanity, so expect any nation that does it to have all kinds of sanctions leveled against it.
Somehow the victors of WWII escaped this inevitable punishment for their forcible transfer of Eastern European germans.
If the populists actually win, they'll be in the same position to define the rules and carve out whatever Schmittian exception is necessary to do what they will.
This has some excerpts from Kevin Purcell's book. There used to be a more complete version online but I can't find it any more.
https://www.dismantleacademia.org/life-and-death-in-philadelphia.html
It's the story of his childhood in Philly where it started as a the type of streetcar suburb that everyone on youtube wants to build these days. It's walkable, there are parks and playgrounds and groups of neighborhood kids stay out playing baseball until well after dark. As black people start to move in it becomes less and less safe. At first they have to go to the parks in groups to stay safe and then later it's not possible to go there at all. There are gangs, break ins and eventually murder. His parents sell their house at a loss to move the kids somewhere safe.
Throwaway05
1hr ago
“You have to realistic about these things.”
MadMonzer
Temporarily embarrassed liberal elite
1hr ago
Most welfare is welfare-for-the-old, not welfare-for-the-poor. Westerners find the Indian alternative to welfare-for-the-old a lot less attractive than just ponying up on tax day.
- Social Security: 5.5% of GDP
- Medicare: 3.2% of GDP
- Not having your demented mother-in-law around the house: Priceless
There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's the fiat currency printing press.
BurdensomeCount
Singapore is the only country that learned the correct lessons from the British Empire.
2hr ago
A genuine question I have for the people who don't like immigrants here: In your ideal world what would you have the immigrants who come to the west do when they get here?
I've heard people complain about immigrants drawing welfare when they don't work; I've noted all the complaints about immigrants driving down pay and making the job market more competitive when they work normal people jobs and I've sure as hell seen all the attacks launched upon them when they come and take over the very top of society to rule the natives beneath them.
So my question very simply is: given that immigrants aren't going to stop coming any time soon, what should they be doing that will make them acceptable in your eyes?
nfhs82nsa12
2hr ago
How was it unpunished? If you mean not every criminal was caught by the police, sure, but there were thousands of arrests made and prison sentences handed down.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
2hr ago
Thoreau's version was very different. Thoreau was breaking the very law he objected to. Same with Rosa Parks. But in many other cases, the protests were breaking other laws which the protestors had no objection to (except when used against themselves). Blockading streets is not Thoreau's version of civil disobedience.
Much of the effect of civil disobedience is forcing the state to arrest and prosecute you for your violations. The greater the nexus of the violation to your complaint the better. Frequently leading them to appear petty and vindictive, rallying others to your cause.
It hasn't been that for a long time. The state figured out the counter -- just make the penalties very severe, the way it was for the Charlottesville torch-carriers or January 6. Can't run your cause while in solitary in the D.C. jail or incommunicado in a Federal rape camp. And if the media is on the other side, this will all look deserved.
Instead, "civil disobedience" nowadays is theatre. Groups nominally outside the government demand unpopular stuff, and groups inside the government who want that stuff but know it is unpopular pretend their hand is forced.
nfhs82nsa12
2hr ago
No, they would not. Living on welfare in the United States is a miserable experience. When migrants spend thousands of dollars and endure dangerous conditions to get the US, the loss of welfare is not going to motivate most of these people to leave. They will remain in the US and continue to work illegally.
100ProofTollBooth
2hr ago
I tend to associate progressives as moving more quickly toward a destination, and conservatives as pulling back and slowing the rate of change to prevent mistakes.
Couldn't agree more.
There is a basic, universe level quirk of math that, I think, does a great job of capturing the conservative mindset:
The relative loss-gain imbalance; If I have a 10% reduction in any starting quantity, what do I need to reclaim to get back to even? It isn't 10%, it's about 11% (roughly).
Recovering from a mistake or loss takes more effort than the magnitude of the loss itself. Therefore, massive changes happening quickly in any direction are a bad thing. I am some (rare) times empathetic to progressive policy intended outcomes but their proposed policy functions are simply too large, too fast and, therefore, the risk of a fuck-up is so large that I think, in many cases, it represents a society level threat.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
2hr ago
Even if Zimmerman had verbally provoked Martin, he can still use force to defend himself if
"Such force or threat of force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use or threatened use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant"
Zimmerman pinned down by Martin (thus unable to escape) and having his head bashed fits that condition. Note this is NOT a Stand Your Ground rule -- a person who has provoked another DOES have a duty to retreat; this rule is intended to cover inability to safely escape, not unwillingness.
KMC
2hr ago
That's not what he's referring to.
100ProofTollBooth
2hr ago
Promiscuous girls with tattoos and one side of their head shaved make me go crazy.
Hit the nail on the head. I will never not be attracted this aesthetic, but have enough first hand experience to know where it leads. I think for a fair amount of guys who have had above average "success" with women (and who can review their experiences thoughtfully and with honesty), there comes a point where they decide to trade high variance and FUN for lower variance stability. In other words; never try to make a ho a housewife, but trade in the hos for a housewife. That's a little crass, but it's the most accurate reflection of what goes in a lot of guys 30s.
But I also think that's all downstream from a larger shift in mindset. At some point, an intelligent person is going to choose between pro-social behavior and libertine personal freedom so long as it doesn't "hurt others." We can quibble over direct vs indirect harm; that's the culture war thread. But if you choose the former (prosocial) you changes all over the place; how you vote, who you date, where you live, etc. Which brings me to the first thing you wrote;
Politically, my preferred outcome would be to exalt White bisexual antitheistic males above all others
Okay, that's a preference. Enjoy the endless Sam Altmans.
make this identity the pass to being treated as aristocracy. I don't want meritocracy, equality of opportunity, judging the content of someone's character [...] All I want is progressive stack with me at the top, laughing as I kick those below.
I don't see this as either prosocial or libertarian-libertine. I see this is a sort of hierarchical-authoritarianism. You even use the word "aristocracy" with a pretty loaded subtext. I see this a bad for everyone. Those on the bottom literally get kicked, those at the top are going to fall into hyper-paranoid behavior patterns to try to guarantee their positions and society will stagnate, rot, and collapse. It's the illusion of mastery over human nature when you're really just cultivating the worst parts of it.
I’ve never heard anybody say anything but “theythem”. Sample size is pretty damn small, though.
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