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Hard disagree. Sex has to be really bad before I would prefer to just crank my hog.
Even in that case, you can easily satisfy yourself using hookers. According to quick AI search the prices ranges from $20 per hour for street hookers to around $150 for average escort to $300 plus for high end hooker in USA. For a price of your average car lease, any single male can have a different hooker every week, getting his body count to triple digits easily thus matching any redpilled macho. And we are not even talking about sex tourism, where you are a cheap flight away to some 3rd world country where you can enjoy orgies for really cheap.
The OP's point of course still stands - even if you satisfy your sexual desire, there is still the social aspect that many people fill parasocial relationships. Although even those are not the only options. There are hookers who act more like your lovers where you are something like a sugar daddy. They have stable clientele of multiple men with their own schedule, so you can visit regularly and get not only a sex but also massage or even homecooked meal.
To be frank I find this as highly distasteful and unsatisfying relationship but I used it only as an example. In the end there is not much more difference between people obsessed with sexual conquests or people who obsesses about masturbation or people who just chase hookers. The difference is only in degree.
DelendaEst
2d ago
I completely agree. I am conservative while strongly disliking MAGA and as a result pretty much everywhere else I go online it is very clear that I am the outsider and there is nothing I hate more than "as we all agree" style posts. Part of why I like the Motte so much is that it is one of the few places I feel closer to the median, like I actually belong, and one of the things I would like for my space is to not replicate the indignities of enemy territory but with the sign reversed.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Ah, thé pride flag and the Republican pride flag(although granted the thin blue line/thin red line/etc are usually separate flags). The Protestants who have discovered sacred heart month. The ‘y’all means all’ murals. The ‘in this house we believe’ signs. The maga flags. The bumper stickers saying ‘stand for the flag, kneel for the cross’.
I think a combination. There's rationally no reason for me to hold this opinion, as it's not actionable (unless I want to end up in jail). It also implies that women are not accountable at all for their actions, which I disagree with. It takes two to tango, and most of the time a women knows what she's getting with Lothario (she thinks she can change him however). It would be abhorrent to me if someone advocated FGM or something similar for women in this situation, so my position on castration doesn't make sense.
And then morally it makes me sound like a whiny bitch that is upset he isn't getting any. That's not the kind of person I think I am, and it's certainly not the kind of person I want to be. Although I agree with most of the arguments that @faceh here and in general, I'm starting to wonder what the use of arguing about this on the internet actually is for me. It's not fun like other debates here are, it doesn't help me develop my arguments for the real world, and it doesn't really help me improve my own attitude and life. Think I am going to ban myself from discussing these topics further on here (@Mods feel free to enforce this from now on).
hydroacetylene
2d ago
I’ve heard that dodging the draft in Vietnam by pretending to be gay was doable as long as you pretended to be playing along.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Protestant conversation therapy shouldn’t exist probably, but why not have programs to assist me in choosing to live my life as if this didn’t happen
Conversion therapy worked for me… granted there were no Protestants involved.
Tree
2d ago
Good. Soaking in that much bitterness is not healthy. Poor James never knew how close he came.
It’s rare for people to admit they’ve changed their mind as it happens, so thanks for that. Hard to say if in this instance it’s purely the result of rational argument, or the moral condemnation by multiple people (in addition to describing it as low status), and if so, if that is just as legitimate a reason to use/change one’s mind. Probably.
Primaprimaprima
I am trying so hard not to say the MBTI type of everyone I reply to
2d ago
Lesbians are interesting. They certainly have a much lower libido than men on average, which is what results in LBD, but at the same time I think they are noticeably more "aggressive" in their tastes than straight women. I recall there being a debate at Michfest in years past over whether public displays of BDSM should be allowed, or whether that would be politically compromising because it would be reinforcing patriarchal power dynamics. In the occasional conversations I've had with lesbians, they often seem to be quite self-conscious about restraining their natural desires around other women, because they don't want to violate the "rules of the sisterhood".
So I get the impression that straight female sexuality might truly be a unique phenomenon unto itself, and it has similarities with lesbian sexuality but also some notable differences.
faceh
2d ago
Women are currently too valuable as a political force for the political class to remove their power to vote, let alone reduce them to chattel.
So that is DEFINITELY a 'coup-complete' sort of solution.
ChickenOverlord
2d ago
In fact, Frank Sinatra was once charged with seduction for promising to marry a woman if she slept with him then backing out. Turns out the woman he banged was already married but didn't tell police (or him) that so the charges got dropped, but it led to his famous mugshot. This all happened in 1938, when Sinatra was 23, so it's interesting to see it predate the sexual revolution by so many decades.
https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/celebrity-mugshots/frank-sinatra/
No. I absolutely suck at psychology.
But to pull a 90° on you, I don't think it makes a difference. Governments will overreach. The interesting questions, IMO, are:
- Which kinds of overreach are actually productive, as opposed to malignant self-sabotaging excess?
- What can humans do to make themselves valuable partners to governments (or other superorganisms), as opposed to powerless fodder?
The first point may tie into your line of inquiry - there are certainly some types of government overreach that could be pruned with everyone (incl. the government) better off afterwards. Anything that costs a lot and has poor returns.
But I don't think you can make much progress on government reduction in principle. And you absolutely won't have any success if your preferred measures actually hinder the government - those will be rolled back.
The age of the citizen as the sovereign of his democratic republic is, in my view, already over. States have gotten too big, too invasive and too powerful. AI developments will only exacerbate it. And it may be that states or governments will be outdone or replaced by other oeganisations or organisms, but whatever entity comes after will certainly not see individual human liberty as its terminal goal. The best we might do is make a successful sales pitch for free-ish citizens being more useful than quasi-slaves or straight-up human extinction.
We're already not at the top of the food chain. Buerocracies are. Consider yourself a domesticated animal, and pray that your future overlords aren't vegetarian.
That's reasonable, and for the record you do have my sympathies - I do understand the rage at your living situation and at your roommate, it seems rough.
Definitely you should move out, I wouldn't like living there either if I were you.
thejdizzler
2d ago
No they are probably not THE problem, but they certainly don't make it easier.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
2d ago
But I've also had women ask me out, women hunt me down or drop notes in my locker or use mutual friends to try and get me to ask her out, when I was back in school. In college I was asked out once, and had a few women who seemed eager for me to ask them out.
Which makes you very unusual. Most men have to chase. You're basically Terence Tao wondering how people can find calculus to be so hard.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
2d ago
Even prisoners still produce toilet wine. Gaza seems to have been a total economic basketcase going back decades.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
2d ago
Screening tests can have false negatives. Perhaps there has been some large, recent improvement, but not that long ago the situation was so dire that blood from MSM that had been tested and found negative was still more likely to be contaminated with blood-born pathogens than non-MSM blood because the base rate was just that much higher.
thejdizzler
2d ago
You and @Tree and @Sloot are correct. Upon reflection last night, I think I don't want to hold this position, and at least some of it comes from rage at my personal living situation. The prosocial thing for me to do would be to move out as soon as my lease is up (which I will do). It's not good for me to hold enough rage in my heart that I'm willing to advocate for castration (although everyone seems to miss the marriage part which is much less severe), and to hold such a dim view of women that I think they are fundamentally incapable of change. Thank you for helping me realize how ridiculous my position here is.
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
2d ago
I guess I never went through a redpill phase. I certainly went through a phase where I realized that you do need to make your romantic intentions known early on with a woman, and trying to build a relationship on top of a friendship just doesn't work. But I only rarely encountered women who were "hooking up with alphas" as I was trying to date them; okay, maybe a couple times, but it was obvious pretty quickly that those ladies were emotionally troubled anyway, and a relationship with them would simply be unstable.
But I've also had women ask me out, women hunt me down or drop notes in my locker or use mutual friends to try and get me to ask her out, when I was back in school. In college I was asked out once, and had a few women who seemed eager for me to ask them out. Not every woman who's been interested in me has been my type -- but most of them were perfectly normal, stable people, and the relationships I've had, though fewer than perhaps I'd like, have been founded in mutual vulnerability and intimacy. I could always share my emotions with my partner, and we looked out for each other and cared for one another. When my relationships have ended, it was either because of a natural falling-apart (moving away, mutual loss of interest) or it was my fault. So the stereotypes of what male-female pairings are like, in TV sitcoms and motte posts and redpill guides isn't my experience of love.
I guess my few interactions with women who seem like the redpill stereotype involved me bouncing off them -- I don't play games, and I don't chase skirts. I don't sit for shit-tests and I don't like coquettishness. My yes is my yes and my no is my no. If women want to create drama for the sake of drama or engage in verbal sparring like a Jane Austin character, well, they're welcome to find this somewhere else. So I suppose my romantic style heavily filters against manipulation, and firmly towards well-adjusted, romantically decisive women. I intend to keep it this way.
So now I wonder, are you one of those mythical, well adjusted, family oriented men who other mythical, well adjusted, family oriented women instinctively seek out? Or are you an oblivious alpha-chad who's mere presence is capable of making women act right? I have so many questions about your experiences, and how on Earth so many seemingly well adjusted women approach you. Or are you an unreliable narrator? How old are you? Do you go to church? Did you get married? Do you have a family yet? I'm so curious.
Cause I mean, the advice of "Just be yourself and don't tolerate women acting like that" isn't uncommon. And maybe it's regional, but after HS I never once encountered a woman who wasn't "acting like that". It's like after being released into the wild, all the good women got locked down or went to ground, and only the predators were out at night. Following the standard advice of "Be yourself and don't settle" was a recipe for being always alone. So instead your learn how to defang the predators.
faceh
2d ago
I also appreciate your posts. Modern "dating" just seems like the mother of all coordination problems
There are some bigger ones, but this one will directly impact all the others over the long enough run.
I'm confident we'll 'figure it out' because the drive to reproduce and the forces of natural selection are not going to give in so easily. Going to suck for many, many people, though. Possibly including me.
But the CRAZY thing is we had the necessary social techs for this problem. There was a system that 'worked' (not optimal, not everyone was happy, but it was a decent equilibrium) and then dismantled most of it, and now we're stuck here because very few left even remember there being a better time.
Me, I only barely remember a time when it wasn't so openly hostile and the new technology (smartphones, social media) promised to improve things. And I feel like I was a naive idiot to think that way. But I also didn't have a good model of how intersex relations really work at scale.
hanikrummihundursvin
2d ago
There are more pieces to the puzzle. And whilst it might be easy to throw together a few negative connections and proclaim everyone is 'just like the creationists' it just so happens that everyone is also not like that, depending on context.
For one, SIG has been on a long downward trend in the gun sphere. Complaints of poor quality control can be found online going back to 2013 and further. On top of that, SIG gets awarded a military contract allegedly based on low price. Pushing forward a pistol that is not drop safe.
To go from 'High Quality Swiss-German, Made in Eckernförde, Germany' to 'Low quality and cheap, Assembled in Newington, New Hampshire, parts from wherever' is a big change.
To that extent this is more a protest than a cult. At some point SIG managed to devalue its name, through whatever means, to a point where people feel the need to vent about it. SIG was good, now it's bad. Things didn't used to be like this. Now they do.
Funny, my impression is that it was a drug driven thing. People being high would explain the repetition, the weird descriptions of physical sensations and how long they go.
And I think that would place them on the far end of consumption habits.
I lived there, I'm aware. But a very large municipality still isn't a state, and a very large mayor isn't a governor.
And more to the point, the election is weird, you have a corrupt incumbent, a joke goofball Republican, and a weirdo carpetbagger independent all running. Mamdani's primary win, and ultimate general election win, aren't indicators of anything in a place with a normal field of candidates. It's relevant that it's a municipal election in that you rarely see state level elections that odd and shambolic.
Quantumfreakonomics
3d ago
This shit turns people into the Joker.
Astranagant
3d ago
I was going to add the topic of twink death to my list of nosy questions, but FG straight up told me that gay men hit a wall after 30. That answered things.
This is a lie. Twink death is a spook. It only happens to those who stop taking care of themselves.
What happens is there's a point where you can no longer effortlessly be a twink. And a lot of twinks, unused to making actual effort, let it fall by the wayside.
What?
I assure you adultery was a thing for the entirety of human existence. The sexual revolution just ramped it up by saying "it's a good thing, actually".
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