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hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Wait for marriage isn’t the coolest opinion, but it’s not offensive, either. More old fashioned.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Of course these lotharios are doing something bad, should they not have consequences?
I agree that castration is dumb. But what’s wrong with seduction laws?
Lazuli
6hr ago
I don't like the fact that I have to work a remote job.
I'd like to be more integrated into the local community.
Can't you do both?
My understanding was that gooning is reserved for any particularly degenerate and indulgent forms of masturbation. Like when I think of a gooner, I think of someone for whom cranking it while looking at porn sitting in front of his computer doesn't work anymore, he needs to be watching 10 videos at once for hours on a multiscreen setup laying down in a reclining chair while vaping weed.
Rov_Scam
6hr ago
I don't know that the new charges necessarily obviate the idea that the gun is unsafe. I don't know that the facts have been revealed in enough specificity to have a complete picture, but let's suppose the following happened: The guy threw his holstered gun down on the desk, and contact with the surface caused it to discharge, killing the other guy. The first guy then lied about what happened to investigators, claiming the gun was just sitting on the desk when it went off. Federal law defines involuntary manslaughter as "[T]he commission...without due caution and circumspection, of a lawful act which might produce death".
I don't think it's unreasonable to argue that the careless handling of a loaded firearm in the manner described above qualifies as a lawful act which might produce death performed in an incautious manner. But it's also true that a firearm so handled shouldn't go off accidentally. I would suspect that there will be a civil suit stemming from this, and Sig got lucky that it happened in Wyoming, where juries are stingy, giving the case a decent chance at settlement. But now they're on notice like they've never been before, and unless they recall the gun outright or come up with a fix, no matter how clunky, that absolutely prevents that from happening, they run the risk of having to explain to a Philadelphia jury why that was just too expensive and said jury deciding that trebling that amount is a just way of calculating punitive damages. It's still a tough spot to be in.
thejdizzler's comment is pretty extreme, and if I had to bet I'd bet that this is just him coping with his own jealousy and shortcomings while trying to find a "logical" solution to the problems that affect his type the most. It's not rational though. It's an absurd proposal. It seems like he's just grasping for straws in hopes that some others will empathize with his situation. I do empathize with the sort of turmoil he's dealing with right now, because I think it's become a broader societal problem.
Expecting women to regulate their own sexual behaviour, sensibly assess risk and accept the consequences of their bad decisions like adults apparently is not reasonable, and they deserve recompense for their freely-made decision to have sex with obvious players whose intentions would be clear to anyone with an IQ above 20, like children who must perpetually be sheltered from the repercussions of their actions.
It's reasonable in the current moment because current society allows it. The problem is that it has the potential to bring about societal consequences that people no longer seem to think are possible. A group willingly volunteering to scale back the most freedom and opportunity they've ever had for the sake of the other half of the population will not happen. If I were a Western woman in the current environment, I too would not want to willingly give up my position in society.
What's likely to happen though is that after this has run its course for a while, either A) some capable portion of the lower 80% of men, accompanied by a handful of the top 20% of men, will make increasingly harder pushes for men's control than the one that's happening right now, or B) AI will increasingly fill the emptiness these men feel, come up with new methods to prevent human violence, and stave off a chaotic uprising. Plenty of other scenarios could play out, but these two seem the most obvious in the current setting. Any other scenario that trends away from prosperity will be much worse for current women's rights, because ostracism, shaming, and emotional manipulation will take a backseat to the threat of violence.
Right now, warning the population about the possibility of something violent like this happening just rings hollow. Nobody in the lib or progressive camp actually believes that their behavior fuels the fire they most want to put out. Worst of all is that there's nothing to be done about that on a macro level. In my opinion, the only real way this shakes out is people learning the hard way, like we always have.
My predictions are obviously open for criticism. I present two distinct possibilities and a vague third one, when in reality there is an infinite number of possible outcomes.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
6hr ago
This all happened in 1938, when Sinatra was 23, so it's interesting to see it predate the sexual revolution by so many decades.
What?
I assure you adultery was a thing for the entirety of human existence. The sexual revolution just ramped it up by saying "it's a good thing, actually".
Hard disagree. Sex has to be really bad before I would prefer to just crank my hog.
Even in that case, you can easily satisfy yourself using hookers. According to quick AI search the prices ranges from $20 per hour for street hookers to around $150 for average escort to $300 plus for high end hooker in USA. For a price of your average car lease, any single male can have a different hooker every week, getting his body count to triple digits easily thus matching any redpilled macho. And we are not even talking about sex tourism, where you are a cheap flight away to some 3rd world country where you can enjoy orgies for really cheap.
The OP's point of course still stands - even if you satisfy your sexual desire, there is still the social aspect that many people fill parasocial relationships. Although even those are not the only options. There are hookers who act more like your lovers where you are something like a sugar daddy. They have stable clientele of multiple men with their own schedule, so you can visit regularly and get not only a sex but also massage or even homecooked meal.
To be frank I find this as highly distasteful and unsatisfying relationship but I used it only as an example. In the end there is not much more difference between people obsessed with sexual conquests or people who obsesses about masturbation or people who just chase hookers. The difference is only in degree.
DelendaEst
6hr ago
I completely agree. I am conservative while strongly disliking MAGA and as a result pretty much everywhere else I go online it is very clear that I am the outsider and there is nothing I hate more than "as we all agree" style posts. Part of why I like the Motte so much is that it is one of the few places I feel closer to the median, like I actually belong, and one of the things I would like for my space is to not replicate the indignities of enemy territory but with the sign reversed.
hydroacetylene
6hr ago
Ah, thé pride flag and the Republican pride flag(although granted the thin blue line/thin red line/etc are usually separate flags). The Protestants who have discovered sacred heart month. The ‘y’all means all’ murals. The ‘in this house we believe’ signs. The maga flags. The bumper stickers saying ‘stand for the flag, kneel for the cross’.
I think a combination. There's rationally no reason for me to hold this opinion, as it's not actionable (unless I want to end up in jail). It also implies that women are not accountable at all for their actions, which I disagree with. It takes two to tango, and most of the time a women knows what she's getting with Lothario (she thinks she can change him however). It would be abhorrent to me if someone advocated FGM or something similar for women in this situation, so my position on castration doesn't make sense.
And then morally it makes me sound like a whiny bitch that is upset he isn't getting any. That's not the kind of person I think I am, and it's certainly not the kind of person I want to be. Although I agree with most of the arguments that @faceh here and in general, I'm starting to wonder what the use of arguing about this on the internet actually is for me. It's not fun like other debates here are, it doesn't help me develop my arguments for the real world, and it doesn't really help me improve my own attitude and life. Think I am going to ban myself from discussing these topics further on here (@Mods feel free to enforce this from now on).
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
I’ve heard that dodging the draft in Vietnam by pretending to be gay was doable as long as you pretended to be playing along.
hydroacetylene
7hr ago
Protestant conversation therapy shouldn’t exist probably, but why not have programs to assist me in choosing to live my life as if this didn’t happen
Conversion therapy worked for me… granted there were no Protestants involved.
Tree
7hr ago
Good. Soaking in that much bitterness is not healthy. Poor James never knew how close he came.
It’s rare for people to admit they’ve changed their mind as it happens, so thanks for that. Hard to say if in this instance it’s purely the result of rational argument, or the moral condemnation by multiple people (in addition to describing it as low status), and if so, if that is just as legitimate a reason to use/change one’s mind. Probably.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
7hr ago
Lesbians are interesting. They certainly have a much lower libido than men on average, which is what results in LBD, but at the same time I think they are noticeably more "aggressive" in their tastes than straight women. I recall there being a debate at Michfest in years past over whether public displays of BDSM should be allowed, or whether that would be politically compromising because it would be reinforcing patriarchal power dynamics. In the occasional conversations I've had with lesbians, they often seem to be quite self-conscious about restraining their natural desires around other women, because they don't want to violate the "rules of the sisterhood".
So I get the impression that straight female sexuality might truly be a unique phenomenon unto itself, and it has similarities with lesbian sexuality but also some notable differences.
faceh
7hr ago
Women are currently too valuable as a political force for the political class to remove their power to vote, let alone reduce them to chattel.
So that is DEFINITELY a 'coup-complete' sort of solution.
ChickenOverlord
7hr ago
In fact, Frank Sinatra was once charged with seduction for promising to marry a woman if she slept with him then backing out. Turns out the woman he banged was already married but didn't tell police (or him) that so the charges got dropped, but it led to his famous mugshot. This all happened in 1938, when Sinatra was 23, so it's interesting to see it predate the sexual revolution by so many decades.
https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/celebrity-mugshots/frank-sinatra/
No. I absolutely suck at psychology.
But to pull a 90° on you, I don't think it makes a difference. Governments will overreach. The interesting questions, IMO, are:
- Which kinds of overreach are actually productive, as opposed to malignant self-sabotaging excess?
- What can humans do to make themselves valuable partners to governments (or other superorganisms), as opposed to powerless fodder?
The first point may tie into your line of inquiry - there are certainly some types of government overreach that could be pruned with everyone (incl. the government) better off afterwards. Anything that costs a lot and has poor returns.
But I don't think you can make much progress on government reduction in principle. And you absolutely won't have any success if your preferred measures actually hinder the government - those will be rolled back.
The age of the citizen as the sovereign of his democratic republic is, in my view, already over. States have gotten too big, too invasive and too powerful. AI developments will only exacerbate it. And it may be that states or governments will be outdone or replaced by other oeganisations or organisms, but whatever entity comes after will certainly not see individual human liberty as its terminal goal. The best we might do is make a successful sales pitch for free-ish citizens being more useful than quasi-slaves or straight-up human extinction.
We're already not at the top of the food chain. Buerocracies are. Consider yourself a domesticated animal, and pray that your future overlords aren't vegetarian.
That's reasonable, and for the record you do have my sympathies - I do understand the rage at your living situation and at your roommate, it seems rough.
Definitely you should move out, I wouldn't like living there either if I were you.
thejdizzler
7hr ago
No they are probably not THE problem, but they certainly don't make it easier.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
7hr ago
But I've also had women ask me out, women hunt me down or drop notes in my locker or use mutual friends to try and get me to ask her out, when I was back in school. In college I was asked out once, and had a few women who seemed eager for me to ask them out.
Which makes you very unusual. Most men have to chase. You're basically Terence Tao wondering how people can find calculus to be so hard.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
7hr ago
Even prisoners still produce toilet wine. Gaza seems to have been a total economic basketcase going back decades.
It’s a cumtown reference, whose gay jokes made me more comfortable with my identity
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