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ChickenOverlord
5m ago
aurochs
Have been extinct for 400 years, how do we have any reasonable way to compare their intelligence to that of cows?
hydroacetylene
8m ago
What is it with spicy race rambling as top level posts today?
OK. On to the contribution. Passport bros are not primarily a reaction to the shortcomings of western women. They're a reaction to the brokenness of western dating markets, where some fraction of people- both male and female, simply cannot find a reasonable match for structural factors. In an ideal world these people would be matched up together because, and I repeat myself, femcels are a thing. This is not an overwhelmingly male group and in an ideal world the redpillers and female dating strategy crowd would get over themselves and find their way together. Alas, we do not live in an ideal world, and neither do the denizens of the third world, who find the USA irresistible.
Nor does it surprise me that redpillers are much blacker than average; gender relations seem much worse in the black community and redpilling is much more common as a reaction to broken down gender relations than it is to endogenously hating women.
Black men, due to higher muscularity, higher extroversion, and other “traits”, are viewed as the most masculine of the races. This bears out in interracial dating statistics where BMWF couples (excuse the porn-inspired abbreviation—it’s just efficient and I don’t feel like reinventing the wheel here) are well over-represented compared to WMBF couples who are under-represented.
Except this is partly just because no one likes black women very much, including black men. Either as attractive in themselves('men do not find African features attractive' is a statement at least as true as 'men don't like fatties' and 'men prefer younger women'), nor for their stereotypes(nobody is going to describe their ideal woman as bossy, demanding, and lazy. Precious few will describe her as strong and sassy, either, if you're trying for more positive stereotypes), nor for their individual characteristics which tend towards obesity, single motherhood, etc.
It will be interesting to see if this trend spreads to White America or if it stays confined to Tiktok and Black Twitter.
White men with Mexican wives are everywhere. White men with filipina wives are almost as common. It's not like no one knows this one weird trick. Whites just bluntly refer to mail order brides(or 'Russian brides') instead of using terms like passport bro.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
12m ago
Probably I'm not badass enough, or partake in a budo that will be scoffed at, but the head of my Aikido ryu/dojo 's big boss is a (Japanese) woman, and although she's no spring chicken any more, she could throw the hell out of you. My point is that it's toing to depend on the martial art. BJJ is probably going to be more man-centric. You'll find girls at kickboxing and aikido.
yellowgreenred
15m ago
Yeah, I was just trying to be funny.
jacksonjules
19m ago
This has been considered by HBD aficionados. There are indeed behavioral differences between the races that go beyond IQ. A good place to start is with Rushton's work on r vs K strategy.
But overall, controlling for IQ gets rid of the most of the difference in life outcomes between people of different races. But you do see a residual: for example if you control for SAT scores, black applicants to college are still predicted to perform somewhat worse (measured e.g. by GPA) than an equivalent white applicant. This is somewhat ambiguous to interpret since part of the effect will be due to regression to mean causing the true intelligence of a group of white people and black people with the same average SAT score to be different. But a part of it will be behavioral differences that can be credibly called "domestication"--traits like conscientiousness, the ability to delay gratification, the ability to follow instructions, not being impulsive enough to get kicked out, etc.
The mechanism is that the animal is essentially forever childlike mentally. But not just mentally, also physically
Does this hold across different time periods?
If it did, we should observe any given race become more neotenous over time if we consider selection pressures (since I think we can agree that 1600s human beings needed to mature much quicker than 2000s ones do simply due to the realities of life at that time), but remembering what ancient Greco-Roman statues look like that doesn't really seem to be the case (and I don't think anyone did photorealistic sculpting/painting until more or less the modern era).
Alternately, does this hold even within a given race? Because if this is true, we should expect that people with more neotenous characteristics [androgyny, smarter men, calmer women] should exhibit more childlike behavior- which, anecdotally, I've seen very little evidence to disprove- but that might be caused by something else or just be a biased observer.
hydroacetylene
27m ago
I think you're actually wrong there- whites are on average more physically imposing and have more facial hair, musculature, etc. I think you're also grossly oversimplifying the domestication process; the gene most associated with domestication is a thing that occasionally occurs in humans and causes williams syndrome, a rare developmental disorder. Insofar as animal intelligence can be measured, dogs are dumber than wolves, cattle and sheep are dumber than aurochs and mouflon, etc, etc- the opposite of whites and asians vs blacks.
Whites and Asians having more domesticated traits also needs a causative mechanism which doesn't run into obvious flaws- eg complex civilization as a domesticating force doesn't account for the middle east today.
Selection pressures on humans within historic times are interesting to talk about. But, I think domestication is definitely the wrong approach.
hydroacetylene
37m ago
You make a compelling case for using a third party matchmaking service.
hydroacetylene
38m ago
Just go start political conversations in diners with old men. Once you can get over the 'golly willikers she's a girl and she's pretty' the skills are surprisingly transferable.
non_radical_centrist
40m ago
I have a somewhat alternate theory to the standard HBD concept, one that may not be original but I haven't seen before, although I haven't delved the HBD forums much.
The standard HBD argument is that different races have different IQs, and that is the primary factor leads to all sorts of different outcomes. Instead of IQ causing so many differences, which I think might be true but is a lesser factor, I think different races are domesticated to different degrees. I read the book The Goodness Paradox about a year ago, and it was about how while humans kill each other in vastly larger scales than any other animal, we're also much less likely to try to tear each other's faces off in the woods than any other animal. The author first divides violence into two categories: reactive and pre-mediated. Sometimes violence is pre-planned and calculated, like a sniper watching carefully for the moment to take the shot. Other violence is reactive, like someone punches you or even just insults your mother and you hit back before you even think. The author presents a simple answer: That there is a relatively straightforward evolutionary process through which animals are domesticated, and domestication leads to much lower rates of reactive violence. The mechanism is that the animal is essentially forever childlike mentally. But not just mentally, also physically; that's why dogs look like wolf cubs, and domesticated foxes have converged on similar traits like floppy ears.
I think black people are similar, in that they are a more "adult" human. They tend to be physically bigger and stronger. I often see black women called masculine, and that is the explanation for why they're less attractive and do worse on dating apps- but I think it makes more sense to call them more adult(whatever the opposite of neotony is). Black women are well known for large secondary sexual characterics like big ass and breasts, that's hardly masculine. And east Asian women by contrast, a race widely considered more on the high end of genetics by HBDers, tend to be more neotonous, with smaller secondary characteristics and young looking faces. And their men tend to be smaller and less physically strong. So I think it's quite plausible that that domestication mechanism, while probably not the sole factor, is a sizeable one in making black people have such higher rates of crime and east asians such lower rates of crime.
doglatine
1hr ago
Would Plato’s account of the trial and death of Socrates be better if there were a possibility of Socrates simply... not dying?
Funnily enough, Athenian tragedy had a very messy relationship with canonicity. Did Iphigenia really die at Aulis, sacrificed by her father's hand, or was she replaced with a deer on the altar by Artemis at the last minute? Depends on which playwright and even which play we're talking about. That woman Helen, who started the whole Trojan War? Never even went to Troy according to one famous play.. A huge amount of Greek storytelling, especially tragedy, seems to be basically fan fiction to Homer and the wider oral epic tradition, playing with "what ifs" and turning preferred heroes from myth (especially Athenian ones) into massive Mary Sues.
doglatine
1hr ago
I have, at times, suffered what seemed to me like episodes of minor existential horror contemplating the 'world' of narrative driven games like say, Half-Life 2. The protagonist exists in what is, essentially a linear corridor, and he can only move forward. Whatever he may want to do, there's nothing he can do but move forward.
This is a central theme in episode 2 of the new hit Zoomer show The Amazing Digital Circus. Only two episodes released so far but they’re both great.
ThisIsSin
Tomboys: transgender or transcendental?
1hr ago
Most players in Bethesda or freeform character created open world games go for troll runs because the available choices end up sucking pretty hard and are inconsequential or inconsistent.
Tell me you haven't played Undertale without telling me you haven't played Undertale.
On that note, the problem with "evil" runs in video games is that it basically just handicaps you, removes content from the game, and slowly makes your experience worse with very little to actually show for it and very little external motivation other than "for the evilz". There's literally zero reason to (for example) explode Megaton other than "some character asked you to do it"; same thing with the slavery mechanics (it barely pays and nobody really cares or reacts anyway- you'd think companions would have a reaction to you enslaving a little kid, but they just stand around and watch) and doing what the President suggests you do at the end of the game. Fallout 4 had a DLC that let you do this sort of thing, but it's very surface level and confined to the settlements; basically nobody in the large areas reacts (and to my knowledge there aren't really any mods that make the townsfolk react).
At least Mass Effect's Renegade prompts were entertaining, but that was always conflated with the sub-optimal choices in the wider world and choosing them sometimes even locked you out of major plot points down the road (that you couldn't see).
I think the other problem with choice in video games is that sometimes, that's not actually the point. Someone mentioned HL2 and Mario as prime examples of "the journey, not the destination" thinking, where HL2 is designed to test your puzzle-solving abilities (and the fights themselves being puzzles- though admittedly HL1 did that better) and Mario is designed to test your reflexes and timing. Sure, you could just watch a playthrough of them to extract the whole movie-like experience- and many do- but the interactivity is kind of the point.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
1hr ago
See Distributed Proofreaders and the Text Encoding Initiative for examples of people who do stuff of this kind collaboratively, as a volunteering project. I just do it for fun.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
1hr ago
It's just complaining that the game chess doesn't have a canon ending.
It does. Shah mat; the king dies.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
1hr ago
There's also exoticism. There's definitely a subset of women attracted to the exotic, and in a very white country, a black foreigner is pretty damned exotic. So a black foreign man has an advantage with that group.
grognard
Intel Pentium III 450 / Nvidia Riva TNT2 Ultra / Corsair 128MB PC133 / ABIT BH6
1hr ago
Converting texts from print or PDF to HTML
What in the world? I’ve only converted from HTML to print or PDF. What are you doing?
grognard
Intel Pentium III 450 / Nvidia Riva TNT2 Ultra / Corsair 128MB PC133 / ABIT BH6
1hr ago
You were able to stop dialysis treatment?
2D3D
1hr ago
Asian racism cannot compare to the promise of being with an American, and even if 90 out of 100 girls view your black skin as pure vileness there will be 10 girls who want to get their freak on with what daddy hates most.
2D3D
1hr ago
I mean, if Trump was going to be the harbinger of death, he's been the shittiest one possible. He just whines about being disrespected, blusters about how he totally is on top of things, and acts as a bugzapper for progs to sperg out and suicide straight into with increasingly unhinged takes. Trump cant even get a proper militia running to shake down a library of degenerate trannies, much less round up every BLM activist and lynch them like they've been screaming about. The only faction in the last thirty that walked the talk of being a bunch of brutal bastards who wrecked shit has been ISIS and the Cartels. Putin hasn't nuked London, Kim hasn't invaded Seoul, Meloni hasn't sunk the migrant boats, Bibi hasn't initiated Nakba 2 and Trump hasn't killed a single fucking prog.
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
1hr ago
Black Americans want to date above their social rank, and lighter skin is normally preferred for female mates. So these are big factors that also explain the phenomenon of black Americans wanting a mate from a foreign country.
complain about Western women: how third-wave feminism ruined them, how modern women are masculinized, hypergamous, promiscuous, etc. etc.
All of these could be true, while white American women are still preferred generally for other factors (eg beauty, status). I highly doubt the online cohort you are speaking of would be averse to marrying a Western European or southern European woman. But I think they look at Jordan Peterson’s daughter and think, “even he couldn’t stop his daughter from sleeping with celebrities and getting divorced?”. Then they look at Lauren Southern and say, “even this ‘trad’ paragon married a foreign police agent who divorced her and left her as a single mom?” And then you look at, like, any given devout first gen Muslim student or a raised-Mormon girl and see how different things are as a product of adolescent environment.
2D3D
2hr ago
Video games became irrepairably damaged when FMV cutscenes became more than cheesy mid mission rewards, and when Metal Gear Solid became an interactive movie. The gameplay loop should be the point, not the opportunity to see a badly rendered aerith get stabbed followed by a yellow polygon shaking irascibly.
doglatine
2hr ago
I've been happily married to a woman from SE Asia for over a decade. Admittedly we're not a typical wmaf couple insofar as she's three years older than me and brings home a bigger paycheck, but I find it interesting that in my decade or so of dating, the most satisfying relationships I had tended to be with non-Anglo women. Probably the biggest difference I encountered in dating Asian/SE Asian women compared to Americans/Brits was a generally more pragmatic attitude towards relationships and coupling. Anecdotally, the cult of the individual is stronger in the West, with many Western women I dated seemingly focused on my narratological contribution to their spirit journey rather than bread-and-butter relationship issues. But also, if I'm completely honest, a big part of it for me was always that I'm a thoroughly xenophilic polyglot and people from countries culturally remote from my own are just more interesting.
I wonder if it’s a case of anti-Israel sentiment gets noticed while the rest gets ignored? The American government was hated almost as much in Ireland for the Iraq war as the Israeli government is in Gaza, but nobody thought this was some moral failing.
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