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urquan
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
5m ago
Now would an Iranian newspaper be able to simply report "The Israeli military unit 'Allah is not real and muhammad was a big dum dum' is committing genocide"? I think not.
I mean, I think they would report that, because it would be a fantastic way to demonstrate that Israelis are infidels and blasphemers.
I also think if you're at the point of comparing yourself to the way Muslims respond to blasphemy, you should be seriously evaluating the emotional intensity you're applying to politics.
urquan
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
12m ago
I mean, is it so terrible to say these people's names? You can obviously disagree with the way in which the events have been framed and understood, but at some point you're just giving ammunition to your opposition who can make the reasonable claim that you're trying to dehumanize Floyd or Trayvon by not treating them as people worthy of being referenced, even when relevant, and even to criticize them.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
14m ago
I don't mean to diminish this, since it's thinking sand and that's incredible, but it does seem like they're now making progress by increasing inference costs by OOMs rather than training costs. This is kind of the opposite direction you want to be going for the vision of the future that came from that Ketamine trip with Fischerspooner doing the soundtrack.
urquan
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
18m ago
The classic example of people saying nice things about Nazi Germany is the autobahn, right? I think historians still feel free to compliment that.
My understanding is that at least some historians are arguing that the autobahn was started as a project before the Nazi takeover and they just completed an existing good idea.
But really, I think the thing that people secretly feel the Nazis did good with was the drip (as the kids call it), and the aesthetics. Triumph of the Will was one of the most cinematographically influential films ever made. Even when I was in school we watched that film in order to understand how compelling Nazi propaganda was, when I took a class on single-party states.
Star Wars took a lot of influence from Nazi aesthetics when depicting the empire (obviously -- stormtroopers!), and it's a meme in the Star Wars fandom that the empire's aesthetics are way better than the rebellion. I think in a lot of way that's people sublimating the psychological appeal of authoritarian aesthetics into a fictional format, where they can engage in memes that reference the appeal without actually calling for authoritarianism, which was obviously horrific to a great many people.
Communism also has great aesthetics, though limited by... the economic problems of socialism in the USSR. I think that's a feature of authoritarianism; control over cultural output means that culture can be oriented towards state goals, and all the psychological tricks of manipulation, persuasion, and appeal become essential to cement the regime's power. No one will ever create an election billboard more chilling than Mussolini. And look at this mosaic of Kim Il Sung: it shows nice composition, and the color is so cheerful and compelling. And the Great Hall of the People in Beijing just looks cool.
I think that kind of intense symbolism only becomes possible in religion, monarchy, and authoritarianism. Systems of power where the appeal is totalizing.
Just food for thought.
phailyoor
18m ago
What's in a name fundamentally? I can certainly talk about the football player named George Floyd as much as I want without "saying his name." So there's certainly more to it than just saying the words that match up to someone's name.
To say someone's name, it requires saying the words that match up with that person's name, as well as context that disambiguates the reference to a particular person. I would also argue that using a derogatory nickname for someone doesn't count, even if that nickname contains the words that match that person's name. The reason being is that those words aren't enough to refer to that person, and the denunciation itself makes it possible to understand what person is being talked about.
It's important that it's a derogatory denunciation, rather than an objective fact, as saying the words in someone's name, along with objective but negative facts about that person, can still carry an implied acknowledgement of that person.
So it's in fact important to use the derogatory phrasing, even over saying "[word], who died from fentanyl ..." because that's simply staging an objective fact, not necessarily denouncing.
Society has certainly decided that bleeping out the fuck word makes the work less obscene. See all those songs that are bleeped out.
I also didn't say the word that you may expect in that censor bar in my head when I typed it out. I just meta-determined that placing those censor bars would be a way to refer to that phrase without saying it directly.
Dean
Flairless
38m ago
'There is now way Trump will get away with [latest thing] this time!'
Not going to lie, mate, you are kind of all over the place on this. You say that this suit 'just put things into overdrive,' but your conclusion is really just jamming a lot of different concept that could be these [things].
In paragraph one, it was the survival (preferably end) of Trump's political career. In paragraph two it... could just as well apply to a thing you characterize as would have been a non-scandal if only Trump waited a weekend? Or maybe the Murdoch trap. You kind of veer from one into the other. By paragraph three, it's the terrible prospects of a disposition of a guy who (repeatedly) had (multiple) hostile prosecutions and investigations leak unflattering things for decades. Come paragraph four, it's how bad the optics will be for a guy who won his first presidential election after an audiotape of 'grab them by the pussy,' followed by a technically-not-treason conspiracy, and, well, way too many bad optics to list.
So when you throw in things like this-
But Trump is impulsive, and wasn't going to wait until Monday to file, wasn't going to give himself a chance to cool down. Get it out Friday. Now he has opened himself up to a world of hurt that he couldn't imagine beforehand.
Dude. Dude.
This is a guy who has been variously accused of rape, infidelity, insurrection, and racism in various courts for the better part of a decade. He was the target of a historically unprecedented fraud prosecution in which the largest fraud fine in New York history was leveled against him despite the victim testifying on his behalf. So many novel legal theories have been used against him that entire aspects of constitutional law have been developed to manage it. There have been multiple government conspiracies that we know about that aimed to hurt him in court.
I am going to go on a slight limb here and suggest that maybe, just maybe, Donald Trump has a better idea of the world of hurt that comes with court cases than you do.
WhiningCoil
39m ago
I mean, as I said
Depends on your diagnosis of the problem. If you believe, as I increasingly do, that most of our societal ills with corruption and collapse of state capacity revolve around the mass importation of high time preference demographics incapable at a genetic level of pursuing generational projects, deporting them is not only a solution, but the only solution. Because with that anchor tied to your feet, no state project, be it reinvigorating capitalism, monopoly busting or state run grocery stores can possibly succeed. If the labor market is flooded with lazy scammers who shameless loot the till, it's not going to matter if the grocery store is a coop, state run, unionized or anything.
I can nearly promise you, with that much state money being dumped into the project and with that little food on shelves, there is a "community organizer" driving around in a brand new BMW involved somewhere.
That's where I am as well.
Maybe I'm too cynical here, but to me the WSJ story doesn't seem to add anything that we didn't know before. Trump and Epstein were friends, and Trump says creepy things about young women and sex. We knew that! "Trump engages in sexual misconduct" just isn't a story that I can see going anywhere - Trump supporters have already rationalised that away, and people who would oppose him over it already oppose him.
Unless there is genuinely rock-solid proof of child sex abuse - and I would be shocked if there is - then this just doesn't change anything. Trump is a pervert in the way we already knew he was a pervert. The needle does not move.
OliveTapenade
45m ago
What is your understanding of 'intelligence'?
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
54m ago
If the Iranians can't use certain turns of phrase I consider it a weakness born out of irrationality. If they think it's a trick to make them say it they might be correct; more the fools them that they are open to any harm from taking the trick on the chest.
I will never ever say "███████ l█v█s m█tt█r"
Bleeping it out doesn't make you say it any less than bleeping out one letter from the word "fuck" makes it any less obscene.
DiscourseMagnus
56m ago
I think the MAGA base genuinely cares about
I have a pretty hard time believing anyone with any real power cares about
No contradiction spotted.
OliveTapenade
58m ago
The classic example of people saying nice things about Nazi Germany is the autobahn, right? I think historians still feel free to compliment that.
I suppose I think the consensus around Nazi Germany has moved in the direction that they did make some right calls and pick some low-hanging fruit, but also that a lot of their strengths were either inherited (e.g. the military system) or illusory and exaggerated (e.g. taking credit for the German economic revival). Nazism as a system wasn't uniquely brilliant.
The way TOS frames it is as something like a deal with the devil. You get efficiency, power, a rapid rise to power, social solidarity, etc., and all you have to do is be evil. That's not what was going on with Hitler's Germany.
Alabasata
1hr ago
The actually poor whites and blacks won’t eat rice and beans.
The fuck I didn't. Brown rice, black beans, celery, and salt went a long way on $15k/year.
WandererintheWilderness
1hr ago
But you did say his name. You typed "Floyd", right there in your message, clear as a bell. If you had some objection to typing out the full "George Floyd", well, I think that's pretty silly, but no one's asking you to do that; you could just have removed "Fentanyl" and said "Floyd's crime wave".
phailyoor
1hr ago
Ferguson Effect
Good idea I can say that, as it's a way to refer to the event without saying his name. But I feel like it's less understandable for the average reader, who probably forgot where Ferguson is but remembers the name.
zeke5123a
1hr ago
I think he did. Anyone who points a gun at a pregnant women while robbing their house deserves to hang
Though I may use certain tortured phrasing, in order to avoid the enemy's newspeak, my posting is not substantially boo outgroup.
In another example, I will never ever say "███████ l█v█s m█tt█r", even to denounce the movement or group, because simply by saying it the enemy has won a victory over you.
Consider the hypothetical. Suppose Israel named a military unit "Allah is not real and muhammad was a big dum dum." Now would an Iranian newspaper be able to simply report "The Israeli military unit 'Allah is not real and muhammad was a big dum dum' is committing genocide"? I think not. It's a trick meant to put those words in your mouth and I will not play along.
phailyoor
1hr ago
I in fact have always referred to the enemy as the enemy, for at least 5+ years of posting here, even on the reddit. Though I have since nuked most old comments.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
1hr ago
I've heard cholo in films, and it's possible the term has crept into Alabama more in the last few decades due to Mexican influx (lots of new restaurants) but I'd never heard it growing up. Regional differences I imagine. The only people who used nigger were blacks themselves or, if white , the countriest of the country if young, or just longtime residents if old. But I'm gen x born in 1968, giving an indication I imagine of my own parents' era.
phailyoor
1hr ago
They're not the same though. Even though the color may be something trivial to change at the factory, it's still a different product. The customer is willing to pay more for it in fact.
Though in reality women's shaving products are usually not literally the same thing. They often include a rubber cushion which is less common on men's shaving products.
Was thinking of making a higher level post but I'll just reply here:
Imagine if the enemy said "doing the hokey pokey is an endorsement of our cause." Or alternatively "doing the hokey pokey is pledging loyalty our cause." Well I would find it a pretty compelling reason to stop doing the hokey pokey. Even though I might like that dance, and have to sit out for that at the school dance. Refusing to do it is enough of a low cost to me that I'm willing to cede the ground and let them make the hokey pokey an enemy loyalty pledge.
You might say that I should do the hokey pokey anyways to try to reclaim it from the enemy. That might be reasonable depending on the specific factors at the time, but when the overwhelming number of people doing it are loyal enemy servants, that's difficult. All the genuine hokey pokey lovers in the world aren't enough to outnumber the enemy's loyalists, and unfortunately they're all going to be misjudged as being part of the enemy's group just for doing what they love. They'll probably have to post a sign outside their gym that says "we don't endorse the enemy." But unfortunately holding that ground is not a battle that can be easily won.
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