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Quantumfreakonomics
11mo ago
That's the left's biggest advantage. Their politicians don't have to do or say anything. All of the policy changes are pushed by the media and civil service.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
11mo ago
Yeah but it's more about the meme, which lives in memories. It's like how black people think cops are hunting them - they aren't, but black people think they are so they act accordingly. And then America you get the opposite meme - it's the land of the free where anyone can rise to the top.
And don't forget there was no internet, it used to be much harder to find out various laws and rules and procedures. You had to rely on the word of others a lot more, and who are you going to trust, the young clerk who says Jews aren't banned from parliament or your uncle, who insists he is right?
JarJarJedi
11mo ago
What's the least damaging incapacitation you can do to a person?
It's hard to answer such generics, there could be a number of ways depending on the situation. But yes, I think it'd be better even if he broke his shoulder or punched him out (though this is a risky one too - people may react wildly different to being punched, including possible fatal injuries) than killing him. If it were somewhere in deep self-defense friendly red state, then the calculation would be different, but in New York, with races being as they are, you're pretty much guaranteed very vigorous and politicized prosecution. This is also a component of safety - what happens after. Again, I am not saying I know the solution for this, it would be stupid for me not being there, not seeing it, to make any suggestions. It's just the choice that actually happened looks strange to me, and I wonder why was it made. No amount of low-effort mockery "yes, he should have filed a petition to Supreme Court!" is going to answer this. I don't expect anybody to know the answers, but maybe at least some higher effort thoughts than that.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
11mo ago
what
The Romans are known for their infrastructure, their cohesive military, their state capacity. One of their recurring political challenges was keeping the slaves and peasants satisfied, to the point of literally inventing panem et circenses. You don't think they had myths about diligence and service?
You could tell the opposite just-so story where the collapse of Rome represents the erosion of collective values in favor of eschatology. Wait... A thousand years of throwing lives away in monasteries and Crusades. Only the Enlightenment reminded people that the material world was worth improving!
That story is bunk, too, for the same reasons as yours. Christians didn't invent diligence or self-sacrifice, and they didn't ruin collectivism. You can mine any time period for examples for and against.
For example, Rap Snitch Knishes is an eloquent plea for cooperation in the face of state power.
JarJarJedi
11mo ago
Training them back into being normal citizens is something I'm not sure to even be possible.
Why not? They are not killing any person they encounter at random. They are killing who they are ordered, when they are ordered, and in a manner they are ordered. Otherwise they're not an army, they are a horde of psychos. Why would it be impossible to order them not to kill civilians?
but fucking with him is a deadly business and likely always will be
As I understand, the wacko in question did not even pose an imminent danger - certainly not to the Marine, but also not to anybody else. He disturbed the peace, was stirring shit up and was running his mouth, but he was not actively trying to murder anyone, and especially not Penny. So it's hardly "fucking with him".
anti_dan
11mo ago
Would he have been institutionalized in a non-prison? Based on his choices of victims: children and old ladies, he seems fairly sane. Just bog standard sociopathy and desire to harm humans explains this behavior pretty well.
yunyun333
11mo ago
whether this was self defense is what's up for debate. if all he was doing was schizo ranting then does that really justify a chokehold?
Walterodim
Only equals speak the truth, that’s my thought on’t
11mo ago
I didn't and haven't been back to LA recently. On the list now though! Thanks :-)
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
11mo ago
There were several 911 calls, including some about Neely. Nobody bothers to call for ordinary schizo ranting.
Jiro
11mo ago
That seems an odd claim to make in regard to a case in which a former President was found liable by a jury.
Why? The former president is the underdog here.
RandomRanger
Just build nuclear plants!
11mo ago
That the Israelis won a couple of battles by the time the C-5s started landing doesn't make the aid useless, the extra aircraft and supplies made it much easier for them to counterattack. One can be much more aggressive when your losses are sure to be replenished.
And of course, it was America that pressured Israel into ending that conflict on terms that were extraordinarily generous (far more generous than any American government had ever previously been in victory in a major war) to the defeated parties.
The Arab war goal was to retake the Golan Heights and Sinai peninsula which they lost when Israel attacked them in 1967. The US persuaded Israel to give up Sinai and bribed Egypt extensively to accept the deal, to sign a peace treaty with Israel. Partly this was due to Soviet pressure on the other side. Golan remains in Israeli hands. The US foreign aid budget to Egypt increased enormously (as it did when other Arab states recognized Israel and signed peace treaties). All the generosity here is flowing from the US to Israel, by bribing its enemies to stand down and persuading the Israeli govt not to bite off more than they can chew.
It's the worst deal in the world. The US got massive enmity from the Arabs, in exchange for forever paying bribes to Egypt, Lebanon and so on so they wouldn't be quite so angry with Israel. And endless military aid to Israel, so they can bomb and invade their neighbours whenever they like.
If the US simply stopped meddling in the Middle East, stopped reflexively prostrating before Israel (the Iraq War was heavily motivated by the perceived need to destroy Israel's enemies), the US would be a lot better off. On the pure logic of national interests, the US should favoured the Arabs (who are numerous and have oil) over the Israelis who are few and lack oil.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
11mo ago
I pair my socks oddly when I put them away specifically to fuck with people who think wearing odd socks is a red flag. I have yet to meet a person of substance who gave a shit. If you dress well in other respects most people write it off as an eccentricity, and then I don't have to talk to the kind of person who thinks they can psychoanalyse me based on minutia.
What was the situation you were torched in?
anti_dan
11mo ago
I wouldn't call it ranting, I would call it menacing, and I think it does justify being restrained. A chokehold is probably the only restraint the majority of humans know for use against humans that aren't children.
There appears to me, to be a fairly common sentiment among people less familiar with violence (and possibly pejoratively I think this is more common on the American left) that violence is some sort of dial you can perfectly calibrate. There is a reason all combat sports are conducted, essentially, on a mat, with a very restrictive moveset, and almost every kid starts before puberty so they cant really hurt each other. But even then MMA does not, in any real way, reflect streetfighting.
In real fights basically everything is potentially lethal. A slap? Well, by a weak woman, probably not, but a real one by a man, for sure. I could rupture your eardrum, while dealing punch-adjacent force, which will cause you to fall. Have I gotten to falling? Anytime someone is forced to the ground they are at risk of dying. Its called head trauma, and its nothing like Hollywood portrayals. Hit someone over the head with a whiskey bottle and they hit the ground. Big chance you've just committed murder. Even if the guy is just in a full nelson for 15 minutes there's a decent chance they are going to have permanent problems, including death. Am I a big rear naked choke guy? Nope. I suck at it comparatively to my favorite, the hammerlock and armbar series of moves. This makes sense, I wrestled at a high level for over a dozen year. But still if I put a guy like this in a hammerlock for 15 minutes he's going to destroy his arm. And the internal bleeding, on a guy with that health profile, we are talking amputation as a >50% probability, and death is certainly not off the table.
sarker
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
11mo ago
Unfortunately, the men of Seoul do not understand that they are being objectified at such an extreme level by these sex-obsessed western women who are consumed with the k-pop phenomenon
Someone should tell these guys how oppressed they are
jkf
11mo ago
A chokehold is probably the only restraint the majority of humans know for use against humans that aren't children.
Half Nelson or hammerlock are well known natural wrestling moves that are probably safer (for the receiver) than anything choke adjacent -- strictly inferior to the newer MMA tech from the giver's perspective, but as I said before if you want to wrestle bums on the subway you may need to accept some handicap if you want to minimize your legal liability.
jkf
11mo ago
It's just an example -- there are plenty more. What about the nuclear energy/panty stealing guy? What about various bathroom bills? Like I say, head in the sand.
jkf
11mo ago
They don't make a big deal about them in their public campaign materials because their position on these issues is wildly unpopular -- then they get elected and apply inordinate focus to things that only impact 0.x% of the population.
I'm pretty sure this is worse?
Felagund
11mo ago
Infinite punishment for offenses against an infinite God.
If anything, the punishment of hell would fall short, due to different classes of infinity? (I think, I'm not that knowledgeable about infinites.)
So, in your theory, self defense and defense of other is only available to like, Jon Jones and Chuck Liddel?
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