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anti_dan
23hr ago
I can't help but be reminded of the law of undignified failure. Cultured meat has been a staple of the tech-futurist utopian memeplex for years, if not decades. Gallons of digital ink have been spilled discussing the feasibility and/or inevitability (or lack thereof) of cultured meat on places like the Effective Altruism Forum. Skimming through the top results, I don't see, "what if the proles hate our guts so much that they ban cultured meat out of spite?"
Is that what is happening. I have to assume its some meat lobby that got this bill written up an introduced, plus the general revulsion that you can gin up when a person thinks of a ball of meat in a bulb being massaged by a robot.
zPvQINBQvfFR
23hr ago
Finally, the ability to enjoy steak tartare without guilt or worrying about tapeworms.
hydroacetylene
23hr ago
Generally, things ran on Kafka's playbook with a side of hypocrisy.
Yes, I’d definitely gotten the impression of apartheid being a corrupt mess running off of cheap labor and limited central control of the state apparatus, which didn’t work as well as it’s thought to have. It’s nice to have that confirmed.
What I’d never heard was the description of it as being fundamentally bureaucratically arbitrary; most people who described living under the system- including one who was half Lebanese and I would have expected to suffer from bureaucratic probes into his racial classification- described the oppressive aspects as being aimed at other people- either blacks or dissident whites who couldn’t keep their heads down. I’m totally willing to believe it could be a problem for some people, though.
And BTW ‘Japanese are white but Chinese are colored’ and ‘Muslims are colored unless they’re Turks’ just seem like common sense to me, although I suppose that’s not the extent of racial arbitrariness.
sarker
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
23hr ago
It's premature to talk about differences in quality before it's even on the market.
For that matter, if it's so much worse, there's no need to ban it.
Fetterman is pretty much a socialist maga now. I wouldn’t count him as a true blue Dem anymore. He’s basically one of the old unionists Dems who until he got in office forgot they left him behind.
Quantumfreakonomics
23hr ago
DeSantis seems to think connecting lab-grown meat to "elites" and the "World Economic Forum" is winning rhetoric. We on the inside know that those aren't great descriptions of "rationalist nerds", but this is the same rhetoric that red-tribe conservatives used about SBF. To Joe Shmoe of Nowheresville Baptist Church, those secularist eggheads are all the same.
sarker
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
23hr ago
Chicano is hardly a postmodern term (it originated at least as early as the 1940s) and as far as I know it only covers Mexican Americans, so it wouldn't apply to a lot of Hispanics anyway.
The_Nybbler
Does not have a yacht
23hr ago
For that matter, if it's so much worse, there's no need to ban it.
Except that it steals a march on those who would ban the real animal stuff in favor of it.
TitaniumButterfly
23hr ago
in many SF settings, the vat-grown stuff is considered inferior
It would have to be, or else people wouldn't be growing it the traditional way any more. I suppose there could be a pure status signaling element but most people aren't going to care enough to sustain that at scale.
TitaniumButterfly
22hr ago
For that matter, if it's so much worse, there's no need to ban it.
Off the top of my head I can think of several things that were worse but ended up being mandated by the government. It's not hard to imagine this happening with lab-grown meat.
SteveKirkland
22hr ago
The groups pushing lab grown meat are already talking about banning real meat, so it seems both fair and sensible to do unto them first.
It's probably a lot more expensive than real meat in any reasonable scenario. In most soypunk the farmland is all poisoned nuclear waste, not that scifi writers have enough understanding of economics to make the alternatives realistic.
Meat might be the most capital+labor/calorie efficient food ever. Vegan nerd fantasies of vertical soy farms powered by millions of acres of solar panels can't match up to species that turn sunlight and rain into steak all by themselves.
SteveKirkland
22hr ago
The vegan nerds can't be said to be "behind" the push for fake meat, because the endless funding is coming from the "elite" set desantis identified.
sarker
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
22hr ago
This is only true in the sense that groups pushing gun rights are already talking about establishing a white ethnostate.
sarker
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
22hr ago
In this thread we're talking about a government action. It doesn't really make sense to say that the government banned something so that the government wouldn't mandate it.
sarker
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
22hr ago
"Those", being the same government that just banned it?
SteveKirkland
22hr ago
Please don't do this pretending not to know who he's talking about thing. It's embarrassing.
He can link you a dozen lesswrong-ea-bay-area-forum posts that you're already familiar with, so all this does is waste everyone's time for a low effort sneer.
MathWizard
formerly hh26
22hr ago
Precisely. The government's one and only legitimate role in this would be to mandate that it has to be labeled correctly and can't be falsely advertised as ordinary meat. Other than that, they need to stay out of it and let the people make up their own minds on what they choose to purchase.
CertainlyWorse
Dedicated Pessimist
22hr ago
She said maybe, then the day of said she was tired. I asked her out to lunch instead since I didn't have another free evening this week. She confirmed this morning for today at 1:00. By the time I replied, she'd already unmatched with me.
This behaviour is common with the apps. Just flakey unavailability due to juggling multiple potential options. Next time if she says maybe and doesn't suggest an alternative, she means no.
She said yes, shouted "Text me! :)" as I walked away. No reply to that text message sent later that day with my #. No reply to the text I sent today asking about tomorrow. There will be no further texts.
This is also sadly not unheard of. Don't let it get you down. If you can approach one girl IRL, you can approach more, and many will follow through on meeting you.
Feel free to elaborate. It's not the EAs that are able to ban meat, lab grown or otherwise. It's the state, which has just now banned lab grown meat apparently in order to "steal a march" and prevent itself from banning real meat.
SteveKirkland
22hr ago
Meanwhile the other side already uses government money to publish anti-meat propaganda. The reasonable answer is to grab the gun of state power and dump the mag before they get their hands on it, because they won't hesitate for a second once they have it pointed at you.
Quantumfreakonomics
22hr ago
There's an argument that we have to stop the slippery slope to banning real meat as soon as possible. I'm not sure how well it holds up.
zPvQINBQvfFR
22hr ago
Animals don't turn sunlight and rain into meat. You need to feed them plants. Which you have to grow first. Possibly on vertical farms run by hippy vegans.
Some animals can graze but I think this could sustain only than a small fraction of current meat production (after a quick googling, I saw the figures of 10% of beef production and 30% of sheep and goat meat production being sustained by grazing).
fishtwanger
22hr ago
I'll file this away as an unconfirmable theory, then. :-)
I imagine that depends on what kind of lab grown meat you’re talking about. Ground beef grown in a vat is obviously of much more comparable quality to the real deal than filet mignon.
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