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We'll see. Cell culture media isn't cheap though. For the time being, I suggest exercising a lot of skepticism about what the financial inputs for lab-grown tissue are if someone claims that it's actually quite cheap.

If you buy the individual components and formulate you own media, it's some like 1-2OOMs cheaper than what they sell you commercially. I looked into this awhile ago.

You run into problems (currently) with growth factors like IGF/FGF which is where the 50$ burgers come from. From what I've read in the literature though, fermentation of these would scale well once the demand is there and we could make them very cheaply in bioreactors. What I haven't seen a solution for yet is (surprisingly, to me at least) Albumin which increases the yields very significantly but seems to be hard to produce at scale. I'm curious whether people can break down the various functions of albumin into separate, easy to ferment at scale proteins or whether we need to find better production methods there as well. At least that's what I've been able to glean without having an insider's perspective into the industry.

More broadly, keeping the government out of many of these industries does seem ideal. At the same time, our car companies are about to get fucked by subsidized Chinese EVs (and, to be fair, often flat out superior products) without government intervention. America's rise to power in the late 19th and 20th centuries was hugely influenced by oil; if solar panels do indeed end up being 'the next oil,' well, Chinese government intervention has given them a near monopoly there too. In essence, they learned the lessons of the tech industry on a national scale - absorbing losses for a few years/decades is fine if you end up with a monopoly. It's not clear to me that we can compete without doing the same. Perhaps the winning move is subsidizing some of these growth factors for a few years and giving out some grants for replacing albumin and seeing if we can build some American (or Western/'friendshored') companies that can dominate the space.

Am I missing some hidden message here? Is it just that the last words are "girlboss gaslight gatekeep" rearranged?

@FCfromSSC was too nice to mod you (and to be clear, did not ask anyone else to either). But calling people liars is about as directly antagonistic as it gets. Even if you think someone is lying (and you may be right, people do sometimes lie about what they actually believe or what their intentions are or even about stated facts), you need to stop at "I don't believe you, for such-and-such reason." Emphatically and repeatedly calling someone a lying liar because you see the world through different lenses (and fwiw, if I were forced to adjudicate who's factually correct here, I'd be more inclined to side with you than FC) is not okay.

You have 4 AAQCs and no prior warnings. But I'm still giving you a 1-day ban to emphasize this point. For someone who spams reports on every other poster in the Motte who ever expresses an arch sentiment like you were watering your lawn, you really should know better, or at least act like you do.

I guess Outward was a worse example than i thought. It definitely "feels" indie in many ways, but probably is more like A game instead of AAA.

Nevertheless, even if I think about "true" Indie such as Trese Brothers, I struggle to think of examples that aren't noticably woke unless they literally have no story involving humanoids whatsoever (and even then, they sometimes somehow manage).

Very little of Europe - probably just Berlin, which is the crunchiest city in Continental Europe, driven by some combination of the west Germans who moved there during the Cold War to dodge the draft and the hippies who moved there to take advantage of cheap rents immediately after the Wall came down.

In formerly-Catholic Europe (I have personal experience with France, Spain, Italy and Poland) vegetarianism is seen as a weird Anglosphere perversion (veganism even more so) and the only decent vegetarian food is traditional cuisine-of-the-poor which typically uses cheese as the main protein. A fond memory of my trip to Naples was seeing a solo American female who appeared to be EPLing being shown the door after bothering the only English-speaking waiter about her "intolerances" and being told that there were only three vegetarian items on the menu (two of which were the margherita pizza and the arrabbiata pasta) and she could take or leave them.

Aren't you like, standing right by the door in front of all the other people? Just step on the bus dude.

Cloves, they are spicy and are supposedly good for your teeth.

"what if the proles hate our guts so much that they ban cultured meat out of spite?"

What if the proles have caught on to the fact that it won't be 'tasty cheap nutritious cultured meat,' it will be 'expensive goo of dubious quality', and used as leverage in support of bans/punitive taxation on regular meat -- the justification being that 'modern alternatives exist, eat shit your beans, proles'.

The issue is that we can't have 10 billion peole living a western lifestyle on a finite planet.

Have you tried, like -- not doing that?

Bears might not attack you. Bears are more afraid of you than you are of them!

Bears seem to be one of the very few kinds of animal where this is not true. When I was hiking in Sequoia/King's Canyon National Park, the bears did not seem to be avoiding me, but I was definitely avoiding them. Both a sensible bear and a sensible human will run away if the other makes a credible threat display, but bears will ignore people who are not particularly threatening.

Factory farms for beef basically do not exist, especially not in the united states -- the feedlots that you mention take cows that have lived on grasslands their entire lives and fatten them up a bit. This makes them, well, fattier which humans prefer, and finishes them a little faster, but you could absolutely feed the demand for beef on grass alone with minimal cost impact. (particularly compared to artificial meat)

In fact... the 'free' grasslands also have opportunity costs, since land is a finite and often fungible resource for farming.

The free grasslands look like forest/scrub -- farming other things there is not economically viable, otherwise they wouldn't be free grasslands.

You have been grievously, grievously misinformed -- please don't spread it here.

Israel and Zionist have way more power than these protestors or Hamas/Palestinians and it is absurd to be worried about their influence and not that of Zionists. Billionaire Jewish donors and powerful Jews in the media are working overtime to pull the most powerful levers possible to put out Israeli propaganda and get the US government to act in their favor including trying to pass laws in Congress officially adopting Zionist propaganda by the US government.

I've always been anti-Islam since my New Atheist days, so when 10/7 happened I was horrified and was supportive of Israel since it confirmed my priors about Muslims and specifically Muslim extremists. Since then, the behavior of Israel, Zionists, and frankly Jews in general has made me hate Israel just as much as I hate Iran or Saudi Arabia. I now look at them no different than any of the other Middle Eastern countries.

I think Zionists are noticing this kind of shift too and crushing all dissent publicly with every tool they have, making it obvious the extreme amount of power they have that they once claimed were just conspiracy theories. I don't think they would be doing this if they weren't extremely worried about how bad they look. To me, this is just another attempt at that. They have put out so many lies at this point that I am extremely skeptical of this and any other claim they make.

Straight men having a lot of sex is praiseworthy,

"Rake", "Cad", "Bounder", "Fuckboi" and "Manwhore" are all insults (though not as severe as the equivalent insults for promiscuous women). "Swordsman", "Ladykiller" and "Stud" all imply respect for competence without expressing moral approval or disapproval. The only common term for a successfully promiscuous man that suggests moral approval is "Alpha", and the person who coined the modern usage of the term (Roissy/Heartiste) was entirely comfortable that he was stealing positive moral valence from the older use of "alpha" to refer to a man feared and respected by other men.

You should watch Pantheon, a two season animated sci-fi series. It feels like LessWrong: The Show. There is even a quokka cameo.

On the subject, does anyone have any sci-fi TV/movie recommendations? I am not a big consumer and I haven't seen much. What I liked about Pantheon is that it's plausible and near term, and decent modeling of global and corporate politics.

I need to write something (and then edit out all the rage) about the "appeal to unshared principles." It's that 2020 meme: "bro the communists are being arrested you have to help them bro please I know they'd kill you and your family but what about libertarian values bro?"

Like there is no tactic that makes me instinctively hate someone more than a leftist who wants to mandate outcome B telling people that they shouldn't mandate outcome not-B because "mandates are wrong". It's pure "Darwin says whatever words make the meat puppets do what he wants in any given moment," with zero respect for the target as a thinking human being.

If we only consider women who were indisputably real, I suspect the most famous woman in history would be Queen Elizabeth II.

Whether this is true or not I don't know, I'm certainly not a bear expert. Multiple people have been making statements that support that claim even in this thread (in reference to black bears, panda bears, etc). Perhaps it may be true for some species of bears and not others. Even if it was true I don't think it's a good enough reason to pick a bear over a man.

It would be interesting to see how people would respond if you asked them would you rather be stuck in a forest with a bear or a black man. Would the fear of being thought of as a racist overcome the fear of men?

This is precisely the correct question. I would guess that this would lower the amount of women who would choose the bear. This would prove that all of this has nothing to do with statistics on danger and everything to do with projecting a desired image of yourself. In my experience, this is how women usually communicate. Usually, they are not trying to communicate some objective fact about the world, but rather to send a signal about themselves.

Well, non-woke story having games I know of are Highfleet (made by a single Russian orthodox programmer) and Underrail (from Serbia).

There's also Starsector, a spaceship tactical/RPG game with a storyline. Russians, again.

Also there's the Colony Ship RPG. Made by 'Irontower Studio' whose website says this:

Iron Tower Studio is a premier destination for all your hardcore RPG needs. Proudly serving 0.003% of the Global Gaming Market since 2015. The remaining 99.997% need not apply.

And so on.

There's a Europe-wide initiative to ban meat in large cities in public institutions. Forgot what it's called.

I also saw a Dutch academic complain that his uni also barely serves meat. So it's probably not just Berlin. Go look at I dunno, Hamburg unis.

I have bad news about starsector. The writer who took over making the campaign is straight out of "he/him in bio" central casting.

They snubbed Russia in 2010s and tried to cozy up to the West. Also Russia is very much occupied at the moment, which is likely what let Azeris get away with the ethnic cleansing.

I have strong doubts Russians would have just eaten getting their troops killed like this if they weren't engaged in Ukraine.

But I don't think the main devs have sympathies towards wokism so it shouldn't get too bad.

I would rather fight a bear who gives me a few days to prepare, rather than a psycho who can rush me and won't fall for stupid traps.

you have avoided bears on your hikes because the bears also wanted to avoid you. if the bear doesnt want to avoid you it will kill you 100% of the time. a random bear of any type wanting to eat you is orders of magnitude more likely than a random person being psychopathic killer.