domain:arjunpanickssery.substack.com
I don't think the extra context actually does change the meaning at all. I'll apply some simplification to distill the meaning of the full paragraph:
This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories.
Summary: The "narrative" (as you put it) conflicts with HBD because...
Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans.
Summary: HBD would require you to see whites as an inferior race...
They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1]
Summary: They (here now referring to believers in your "narrative" rather than believers in HBD) see whites as a weaker and nobler race, much like the Noble Savage myth portrays American Indians...
But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites
Summary: But American whites aren't American Indians so the comparison is weak (then why did you make it?)
It seems clear to me that this is actually two statements without much connection between them.
Statement 1: If you take HBD seriously then you should see whites as an inferior race.
Statement 2: "Narrative" believers see American whites like Noble Savage-fans see American Indians.
To be clear, I never thought you were claiming that white people are racially inferior to Guatemalans. You say so in the very first sentence of the quoted section - this is what you believe to be the logical conclusion of HBD, not what you believe yourself. The context is there.
Everyone has understood this from the beginning, including the person you responded to. We know what you meant, and what you meant is precisely what we're objecting to.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
1hr ago
It's just... forgettable.
The title doesn't describe what the movie is about, the MC is ugly (chimp face, permanent black purple eye) and [if the critics are to be believed, was if not still is] fag-coded, and the aliens' appearance doesn't suggest any interesting personality traits.
So yeah, "I'd let my kid watch it on Netflix, but I wouldn't pay 60 dollars to see it" is a pretty apt observation.
eye patch on a kid character
Eye patches are only appropriate on kid characters if they make him/her look like a pirate for obvious reasons.
hydroacetylene
1hr ago
It was putting words in the mouths of a large, vaguely defined political movement which you associated those you disagree with on the forum with.
I wouldn't have banned you for it- although if I made all the mod decisions you probably would have been banned at the time you posted it for one of the personal attacks you got a slap on the wrist for- but it wasn't the post we'd like to see more of. I think you could have written a better version of that post; goodness knows we have enough discussion on native white men and the economy.
We have conservative posters who whine about the mods oppressing them, too. I generally say the same thing to them.
Gaashk
1hr ago
It's a really dense mishmash of a bunch of different things, any one of which might be interesting to explore, but together just kind of form an overcooked soup.
It would be much, much better with one or two concrete rightists as a foil, especially since the people who are worried about disparate impact keeping their kids out of medical school or Yale or something are in a coalition with, but distinct from, the people who are worried about their depressing rust belt family members failing to #learntocode. An adversarial but earnest take on Vance, for instance, would be more interesting.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1hr ago
You're quoting me out of context to make it seem like I'm saying the opposite of what I'm actually saying:
This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans. They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1] But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites
hanikrummihundursvin
1hr ago
What everyone believes of themselves is irrelevant to the fact of the matter. But taking what you say into account, with reporting that has just been displayed here, I'm confident in my statement, comparatively.
self_made_human
C'est la vie
1hr ago
That is not an explanation for:
As a math nerd I seriously despise this line of argument as it ultimately reduces to a fully generalized argument against "true", "false", and "accuracy" as meaningful concepts.
You're arguing that since LLMs are not perfectly reliable, therefore they're unreliable. There are different degrees of reliability necessary to do useful things with them. It is a false dichotomy to divide them so. I contend that they've crossed the threshold for many important, once well-paying lines of cognitive labor.
Besides, your thought experiment is obviously flawed. If you're sampling from a noisy distribution, what's stopping you from doing so multiple times, to reduce the error bars involved? I'd expect a "math nerd" to be aware of such techniques, or did your interest end before statistics?
If I had to rely on an LLM for truly high-stakes work, I'd be working double time to personally verify the information provided, while also using techniques like running multiple instances of the same prompt, self-critique or debate between multiple models.
Fortunately, that's a largely academic exercise, since very few issues of such consequences should be decided by even modern LLMs. I give it a generation or two before you can fire and forget.
I have no objections to my own doctor using an LLM, and I use them personally. All I ask is that they have the courtesy and common sense to use o3 instead of 4o.
Besides, the contraption you describe is quite similar to how quantum computing works. You get an answer which is sampled from a probability distribution. You are not guaranteed to get a single correct answer. Yet quantum computers are at least theoretically useful.
Hell, as a maths nerd, you should be aware that the overwhelming majority of numbers cannot be physically represented. If you also happen to be a CS nerd on the side, you might also be aware of the vagaries of floating point arithmetic. Digital computers are not perfect, but they're close enough for government work. LLMs are probably close enough for government work too, given the quality of the average bureaucrat.
Humans are fallible. LLMs are fallible, but they're becoming less so. The level of reliability needed for a commercially viable self-driving vehicle is far higher than that for a useful Roomba. And yet, Waymos are now safer than humans.
I rest my case.
In my experience, when I believe I have been misinterpreted, it is much more conducive to understanding to rephrase my claim to attempt to address the misunderstanding than just to direct others to reread.
While the fault may be theirs, it may also not be, and even if one is sure it's on them, grace and magnanimity (in extending others a hand even if you think they don't deserve it) goes a long way.
Sunshine
1hr ago
What you actually said:
This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans.
Sunshine
1hr ago
It "spoke plainly" and provided evidence.
I did not find your original post to be plainly spoken. Actually, I'd like to get into it.
You talk about your evidence, and you did provide some, but it was all in support of the things that didn't need supporting. I would be willing to take your word for it that blacks are more likely to die of opioids than whites, or that most men have jobs. These aren't exactly extreme claims in need of reams of supporting evidence. I would be willing to accept them for the sake of parsing the rest of your argument even if they weren't true.
Here's an example of a part of your post I would have liked to see some supporting evidence for:
The new narrative on the Online Right is that there's a huge mass of white men without jobs who have no choice but to inject fentanyl because of "the border" and free trade sending the factories to China.
The new narrative according to whom? Since when? This is a rather extreme claim, made right at the start, and the structure of the post is essentially arguing that this narrative is hypocritical. And yet you advanced this argument yourself. You aren't arguing against someone else making a coherent argument, you're assuming someone believes this thing and arguing against what you think they must think. So, the part of your post I would most need to see evidence for is that this "narrative" is actually a widespread belief, and you provide none.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
1hr ago
I imagine there is a supervising algorithms engineer somewhere who is torn between finding this absolutely hilarious and cursing the suits for listening to the wordcels in marketing over him.
zeke5123a
1hr ago
I am thinking Braveheart. You care about William Wallace and Robert the Bruce.
The plot does drive the movie (along with certain twists, etc.).
And of course there’s some fun action.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1hr ago
Maybe a new rule should be "be as polite as possible without being insincere.
Although that is not an official rule, that is encouraged, yes.
As for you, I'm not going to argue with yet another person who comes back from a ban to complain about how unfair their ban was. You know what you're doing.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1hr ago
What was wrong with it?
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
1hr ago
The radio news is actually Audacy, no relation to the New York Times as far as I know.
TIRM
1hr ago
After the previous two turds I did bother watching that one. I'll give it a look.
Gaashk
1hr ago
I didn't report it and have mixed feelings about the ban, but it wasn't a good top level post.
TequilaMockingbird
Brown-skinned Fascist MAGA boot-licker
1hr ago
Imagine a a trick abacus where the beads move on thier own their own via some pseudorandom process, or a pocket calculator where digits are guaranteed to a +/- 1 range. IE you plug in "243 + 67 =" and more often then not you get the answer "320" but you might just as well get the answer "310", "321" or "420". After all, the difference between all of those numbers is very small. Only one digit, and that digit is only off by one.
Now imagine you work in a field where numbers are important, you lives depend on getting this math right. Or maybe you're just doing your taxes, and the Government is going to ruin you if the accounts don't add up.
Are you going to use the trick calculator? If not, why not?
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1hr ago
I doubt it. I don't report a lot. And in a holistic review I'd wager over ~99% are good reports.
Of course you do. Everyone thinks their reports are valid, and reports about them are not.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
1hr ago
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I would not have personally banned you and I don’t think you’ve ever posted anything banworthy.
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But @netstack was correct that based on your comment record, you’re here to pick fights rather than engage in constructive dialogue. Like everywhere else in the world, we have multiple competing values that we want to balance: we want a diversity of viewpoints represented, but we also don’t want people who are just here to pick fights.
you stick an eye patch on a kid character, you make it look like your movie is going to be A Moral Lesson And Lecture About The Differently Abled And Inclusion, not a fun sci-fi romp for the kids
I strongly suspect this was a major part of the flop, especially since the very minimal marketing really made it look like “eyepatch kid movie, also with some aliens or something.” Especially when paired with the very generic artstyle… a big draw for Pixar movies was always the excellent animation, this looked like it could’ve been any random direct-to-streaming slop.
The concept of “kid gets accidentally called up to be Earth’s ambassador to aliens” is a good idea, too! Just bring some actual creativity to the art and don’t feel obligated to make it a coming-out allegory or totally centered on him being a weird outcast or whatever (to be fair I don’t know if that last part is true but it’s hard to imagine it isn’t, what with the eyepatch and all). Clearly that’s a huge ask for Disney these days though (and by extension Pixar).
Edit to add: the title of the movie was pretty awful as well. Like who (or what) the hell is “Elio”? It gives you absolutely nothing to work with, nothing about space or aliens or anything. So matching that up with the bland art and the minimal marketing gives no hook at all to actually want to go out and see it.
zeke5123a
2hr ago
My favorite line was “they do move in herds.” Here was a guy who spent his life claiming to be an expert but the statement revealed his inner uncertainty.
Just chefs kiss.
That and the whole hubris of man theme.
...does it count that he's a journalist?
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