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Quantumfreakonomics
1d ago
We got em. There they are just standing there, menacingly.
(They do look quite tan. I guess these are Romani?)
jkf
1d ago
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
1d ago
I dunno dawg. I googled "Bulgarian people", and they pass to me.
You seem to be under the impression that accusing your interlocutor of being a socialist is some kind of I-win button and super-embarrassing.
"Accusing"
The dude is supporting policies embraced by Bernie Sanders (who calls himself a socialist) and says that capitalism is incompatible with Christianity.
So he's
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Anti capitalist
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Supporting socialist ideas
How is it wrong to assume socialism?
I feel you should be aware that outside the 'States - and your interlocutor just said he is - this isn't really all that true. Australia's and the UK's Labour Parties are both former members of Socialist International and still take red - as in, Communist red - as their party colour. Die Linke is a significant party in German politics, and it's literally the East German Communist party with a new name. France's National Assembly is over a quarter declared socialists.
Cool, you can have your socialism in other countries if you want it. The idea that capitalism and Christianity can't coexist is still nonsense, especially since your European countries are often far more godless than America. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/09/05/u-s-adults-are-more-religious-than-western-europeans/
So that's evidence to the contrary, it is your socialism that can not coexist with Christianity.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
1d ago
Next, you'll tell me the people of Brownland are actually yellow.
(Thanks, even if I meant brown as in the standard definition of "brown people", I'll correct it)
ControlsFreak
1d ago
If you show up the ED with diverticulitis you could be seen in the ED and sent home with conservative management. You could be put in obs for a day and started on Zosyn and fluids and kept NPO, you could have a perf leading to surgical management, necrosis, and a 3 month hospital stay. Nobody knows any of the numbers associated with this visit until it's done.
What is the number for the next procedure that you are just about to get informed consent for?
Physicians aren't in control of this.
Then you should have no problem supporting a requirement that your employer figure it out.
Health systems aren't in control of this. Most importantly we can't control insurance.
No one has asked you to.
lurker
1d ago
Tangential but there were in fact, no witches. The witch hunts of europe were started by a guy who wanted an excuse to get a bunch of women who disagreed with his preaching executed and spiraled out of control. The only crime any of the people accused of witchcraft actually committed was at worse disagreeing with a powerful person on theology.
magicalkittycat
1d ago
You know what's better than tit for tat in game theory? Tit for tat with occasional forgiveness.
Now consider in real life with real life human biases where people just take things as attacks on them when they aren't. Everyone does it. So in a real life situation, we would always be defecting in revenge because we see constant defects (even in cases where there isn't!).
Now consider even more that political groups are not hiveminds. They are rather loose coalitions. A principled traditional conservative and a new era "post-liberal conservative" might both check off for Republican, but we don't clearly match up in many ways.
If a "post-liberal conservative" keeps defecting, I wouldn't want to be blamed for them! And I should rationally be able to extend this understanding to other groups and that they too are loose coalitions.
So the defect fetishists are doomed to never have a cooperation work out, they are always willing to sabotage it. While people willing to be forgiving and work towards cooperation will get wins every once in a while.
It's why the US has been one of the greatest countries in the world while the fascists and communists kept losing. Because even our stongest internal attempts at purging and defecting are weak sauce compared to them, so we get a bunch of cooperation wins.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
1d ago
This is a terrible response to public disorder. These youths are able to get away with this stuff precisely because of the attitude of resigned acceptance with which they’re treated by passersby.
jkf
1d ago
Anyways, you know what else is not normal? Following 12 yo girls around the park taping them with your camera in order to report them to the police.
Even allowing your hypothesis that the girls are l.h.c. (likely) and had the weapons to impress their friends (rather than fend off rapists) -- how about just, like -- leave them alone?
I guess the current parlance would be "don't be a Karen" (particularly when you're in somebody else's country) -- but I prefer good old MYOB for pithyness and broad applicability to all of life's struggles.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
1d ago
If you hear about a sexual assault case in Greenland, you probably shouldn't assume the perpetrator was brown.
A terrible example; Greenland’s population is almost 90% Inuit, and they’re pretty damn brown. Were you thinking of Iceland?
magicalkittycat
1d ago
Yeah thank you very much. Many of the users here are pretty passive aggressive or (actively rude if you've lurked here for a long while like I have), which makes sense given that the driving emotions literally seems to be "I feel wronged so it's ok to wrong others" but the same way I argue for principled stances, I also don't really want to stoop to that either.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
1d ago
magicalkittycat
1d ago
Would you have been calling for the state taking ownership of the means of production before this had happened? I really doubt many conservatives would have.
Maybe it's motivated reasoning ex post facto trying to justify his behavior or maybe it's just that "conservativism" as a label has already been stolen by people who hate free market capitalism and small government, but it's the exact opposite of traditional conservative ideas.
MathWizard
Good things are good
1d ago
The police have issued a statement, and the BBC, in a notably careful choice of words, clarifies: “BBC News understands that officers have found no evidence to substantiate claims being made online the youths were at risk of sexual assault.”
This is one of those non-substantive claims. It offers nearly zero Bayesian evidence of anything, because what would evidence look like? What evidence does "threatening sexual assault but stopped before contact via intimidation" leave behind? There would be no physical struggle, no wounds, no semen. All this means is that the incident was not caught on camera and it's entirely a "he said she said" situation. There's no evidence to substantiate these claims, but there's symmetrically no evidence to in-substantiate these claims. My prior is that both hypotheses (pervert immigrants or delinquent teens) are plausible, and the police or media saying what they said does not shift these priors in either direction, because this is exactly what I would expect them to say in either scenario.
Given a complete and utter lack of evidence, everyone is going to stick to their priors and this is the rationally correct response.
jkf
1d ago
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/003/125/092/9a1.jpg
"Bulgarian man" in the same sense as the "Swedish men" who are always doing grenade attacks and such.
(or the "Welsh man" involved in the actual knife violence in Southport for that matter)
magicalkittycat
1d ago
You're right, modern MAGA isn't like old school conservatives. Old school conservatives don't embrace socialist ideals.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
1d ago
I'll pray for you my friend, I'm sorry this has happened.
quiet_NaN
1d ago
Reddit is a big corporate-owned platform. The motte is freedom of speech maximalist. These two things do not generally mix.
When the exodus from reddit happened, the SJP were the most influential tribe with reddit, so they lead the charge. But if it had not been them, it would have been some other tribe instead. I wish I could say that SJ is the only ideology which ever engaged in anti-competitive behavior in the marketplace of ideas, but instead it seems almost universal. Free speech is a great idea while you are the underdog and get oppressed for speaking the truth, but once you are in charge it suddenly seems much more important to prevent your enemies from spreading their vile poison.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
1d ago
Check out Fractal tech.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
1d ago
Although 'hand axe' and 'hatchet' are often used interchangeably in contemporary usage
I presume this axe was wielded by hand, unless the young lady had unprecedented access to heavy industrial equipment.
Respectfully, I don't find "Scotland is not England." persuasive in and of itself. Can you elaborate on what factors are present in England that aren't in Scotland that should change our priors in this case?
There are far fewer migrants about. That's the big one. In the small town I used to live in, we had about five brown people, including yours truly. Think the couple running a hotel, a few working part time at an Indian restaurant or convenience store. Dundee is larger, sure, but it is far from cosmopolitan. Most Asians present are either students in the local unis, professionals like me, or working in small businesses. There is no massive, self-perpetuating nucleus of questionably employed refugees, asylum seekers or layabouts on the dole. I presume such folk are less constrained by the vagary that is the availability of psych training posts, or, like them, I'd have moved to somewhere with better weather. They prefer to go to the nearest mini-Mirpur once they've stashed the boat and made a run for the hills, and that would be somewhere in England.
This, in turn, breeds a more congenial attitude towards those of us who do live up there. While there are many Scots who dislike immigrants, they're not constantly confronted by massive ghettos or the government handing away hotels to asylum seekers. Even the working class aren't as anxious about losing jobs or facing competition.
This analysis is restricted to places north of Glasgow and Edinburgh. I have not spent enough time there to comment. I have, in fact, spent enough time in places like Dundee to know how things work there.
All I know about Scotland's justice system is the Dankula debacle, which is more than enough for me to default to assuming dishonesty from it. But if there are some moderately high-profile cases of immigrants running into the same kind of tyranny, that would be evidence against the expected racial discrimination and two-tier justice system from the non-US Anglophone world.
I had no idea what's up with "Dankula", and looking it up suggests I'm not as terminally online as I thought. I do not see how a (stupid, overreaching) action against a small-time YouTuber over his "Nazi" dog is enough to entirely discredit the veracity of statements made by the local police. That looks to me like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, or squeezing one against the grate so hard it turns into juice.
I also think that you are poisoning the well big-time with your witchcraft analogy. Witches are not real.
Eh? Witches were real, at least in the sense that there were women in medieval Europe who believed that they possessed supernatural powers acquired by heretical means. There were not nearly enough of them to meet local demand, and the epistemics behind identification of such ladies had a rather intolerable rate of Type 1 error.
There are "alien rapists" in the UK. There are probably several in good old Scotland, and I'm not talking about Viking raids. I do not deny this. I say that there are far fewer, in total and per capita. If you hear about a sexual assault case in Greenland Iceland, you probably shouldn't assume the perpetrator was brown.
With that being said, I am at least open to the possibility that this was naked unprovoked aggression from our dual-wielder. But to me, the BBC weighing in is not evidence, and neither is the justice system, until I can be shown how this is different than the position we were in with Rotherham ten years ago.
Then I must invite you to explain what form of evidence might, in theory, sway you.
I am of the opinion that most people who haven't entered this discussion having already made up their minds will at least consider alternative explanations given the new evidence. My ire is reserved for those who are beyond convincing by any means known to man or deity. When this whole story kicked off, I refrained from running my mouth (despite severe temptation) because I retain sufficient skepticism, preferring to wait for further evidence one way or another. We are unlikely to get anything better than this.
Throwaway05
1d ago
First things first: "Secure the scene first," "at a cardiac arrest, the first procedure is to take your own pulse," "self-care bro."
However you frame it - this is going to be tough make sure you are getting support. Likely you did not do anything wrong. Try not to blame yourself. Try not to blame yourself for blaming yourself.
Caveats: I deliberately only skimmed so everything is general and pretend it's general if I didn't do a good job making it general (I am not your or her doctor and am not asking the questions required to provide specific or informed advice.
Second: These things are more common than you think and go in all kinds of directions. Be aware that catastrophic decline is on the table, but so is total remission and so is things like backbreaking medical causes. Try not to get locked into a particular hope or despair without more understanding, information, and crucially - time.
Third: You are going to get a lot of shitty medical and psychiatric advice. Your therapist may accidentally be right but already this doesn't seem like a true delusion (insufficiently fixed?) is inconsistent with borderline personality persistence and doesn't really exhibit evidence for bipolar. Could be prodrome however. Don't worry what any of that means that isn't your job. Could be you don't have the language to relay the behavior you are seeing (that's not your fault! You aren't a trained healthcare professional). Most of the geographic area of the country has poor access to psychiatric care (NPs/PAs have some uses in medicine but never in psychiatric care, I've never met a psychiatrist who was willing to privately say something good about an NP except those who were getting a significant financial benefit. With unusual patients they are significantly worse than useless), and while it's out there it is hard to find a FM/IM/ED doc who is sharp on psychiatry which is important because-
Four: In order to meet the criteria for a DSM diagnosis the symptoms have to not be better explained by a medical condition or substance use. Usually the work up for this is inadequate in most settings. The ED will usually get a head scan if the patient has a first episode of psychosis in atypical age range, but they don't always.... Other basic lab work like an RPR usually needs to be done, but they might not have done it. Someone who knows what autoimmune encephalitis is needs to think about it for three seconds. Realistically it isn't any of the rare stuff, but those things do happen. For drugs a UDS is grossly inadequate if she's doing anything weird, which she may be. Patient's get access to a benzo with the wrong metabolite, use some local herb, or buy some weird designer drug. Shit happens and in the case of something like caffeine nobody may ask the right question when it totally explains the psychosis.
With someone who is uncooperative it will be hard, but taking her to a competent PCP under the basis of "hey I'm worried about you its not your fault lets see if anything medical is happening" can sometimes gain traction.
This is difficult however because people who aren't truly mentally ill don't think they have anything wrong with them and are correct and people who are truly mentally ill often have refusal to acknowledge that they are as a symptom.
Medical/substance/environmental/lifestyle causes of psychosis and/or mood disturbance are not as common as simple causes but they aren't rare. If you wish get access to the medical records and google things and make sure the right crap has been done.
Five: Some facts about potentially relevant DSM conditions. -Women get schizophrenia later than men, especially a bump is seen around menopause. -The DSM has a diagnosis of "Brief Psychotic Disorder." Some people have true psychotic symptoms that remit spontaneously (and never come back). -Adequate care can get someone back to normal. It can also get someone normal enough. -The DSM has a diagnosis of "Delusional Disorder" which means someone is otherwise normal but has delusions about a specific thing. -If someone has schizophrenia you will see some combination of other things in addition to delusions. People act weird. Usually the family can pick up on this (but not always). Same is true for other conditions. Take stock of what you noted. Point it out to medical professionals. -Depression can manifest with psychotic features or other significantly concerning behaviors.
Six: Not every behavioral problem is a DSM disorder (they have a cheat option for "unspecified" or whatever but that's not really the same).
This moves out of medicine to the reality of people doing weird shit and having weird beliefs. I think social justice people are crazy! But they aren't DSM relevant. Some problematic behaviors respond well to therapy some don't but you will find people in the population who have something like midlife satisfaction issues, political freak outs and so on.
You can peck around the edges but if this is the case the medical and legal systems (including medication) will be of limited assistance.
This leaves some room for "maybe two years from now she'll be like....that was dumb" but the lack of options isn't really comforting right now.
You should be prepared for the possibility of this being a true medical/psychiatric issue and also for the possibility of it being a "she's changed." Both will be tough to deal with but in different ways.
I'm sorry.
I know what you mean.
Many of the possible organic causes are horrible.
The Elon Musk delusion has persisted since April / May.
Since July, she sometimes seems afraid of me. Has claimed at least at twice thqt I'm abusive but was unable to articulate any actual abuse.
I think I've already used all the let's go get you checked out attempts I'm going to get.
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