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FtSoA
1d ago
I've been inactive for a hot minute, but the last time I was involved in a big HBD hullabaloo the most common position (hard to tell if it was actually a majority) was something like: "HBD is real and the societal solution to that is something like Classical Liberal Individualism." So nicely enough if you're already of a Classical Liberal bent then it's a solved problem either way.
(Obviously, with all due respect, fuck socialism tho. Historically, it's Western Socialists being out of step to think socialism and racism are somehow at odds. The Russians and the Chinese were/are far from race egalitarians.)
Obviously the ethnostate types don't need HBD to be real to justify their preferences. Real race scientists know how to distinguish the "good" whites from the "less good" ones, anyway. And, at a minimum, East Asians and Jews (boo hiss) are pretty swell by any objective measure of HBD I'm aware of.
Being an SJer and open-minded enough for debating core tenets is a rare combo.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Older siblings give lots of attention, though.
hydroacetylene
1d ago
And also still trying to understand how this gets spread — is it really hyperpalatable foods
Yes. Countries which make a big deal about only eating their traditional foods have lower calorie consumption.
MayorofOysterville
1d ago
This is also more rational then it looks on it's face the Soviets were the weakest they were every going to be from not having finished preparing their defensive lines on the new border to the officer corps still being a mess from Stalins purges. They likely would have done worse if they invaded the next year, also they needed the Soviets oil and were running out of goods and tech to sell for it.
aqouta
1d ago
Right, I assumed it was the resent Turok ban that set this off, but it just also isn't the case that rightoid posting like Alex did wouldn't cop a ban. Like we see this from both directions, go to a place where a right winger is banned and you see basically symmetrical complains. There's this soccer dynamic where no matter the cause people from the offending team rush in to argue with the ref while the rest of the field ignores the interaction and every fan goes home assuming the refs were against them. Like are they seriously of the opinion that right wingers don't cop bans on this site?
MayorofOysterville
1d ago
How top down the holocaust was is actually huge debate in Holocaust studies. Saying your a functionalist ie the Holocaust happened organically through on the ground radicalism and local functionaries working towards the Fuhrer is a totally mainstream opinion in academia.
Can you say why you think the numbers are substantially inflated? We have a pretty good idea of the Jewish numbers throughout Eastern Europe from pre and post war census records and the Jewish community largely just vanishes. You can say those records were doctored but then that gets into the problem of those communities still not existing today.
FtSoA
1d ago
Famously, Scott's post on "witches" addresses this. Also, I think EY on "evaporative cooling."
Has a lot of use for modeling the group dynamics of just about anything, whether online spheres or say academia.
AlexanderTurok
Alt-MSNBC
1d ago
he mixes viewpoints that may be aligned against the woke but are otherwise quite distinct
Yeah I'm off the anti-woke reservation.
FtSoA
1d ago
I was raised religious and it's always fun to have to turn on my "religion modeling circuits" to keep them from totally atrophying.
MartianNight
1d ago
Amadan, you are a fucking hypocrite and you're a disgrace of a mod. You constantly spread Zionist propaganda while pretending to be politically neutral.
You intentionally conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism and deride criticism of Zionism as “Joo-posting”, an intrinsically dismissive term, as if the people who have some concerns about the genocide-in-all-but-name that is being perpetrated by Israel in the middle east are just cuckoo-bananas.
Again in this comment, you create a false dichotomy between “Jews and Jew-haters” as if you can be either in support of Israel, or you must hate the Jews, which is far from the truth. I have no issue whatsoever with the many Jews who live in my neighbourhood, nor with those Israelis who are content to remain within the internationally recognized borders of Israel. I do hate anyone who supports the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, whether they are Jewish or not. I make no secret of this. Any attempt to conflate that opposition to Zionism to “hating Jews” is obviously disingeneous.
Even in this reply you stroke your own dick by waxing poetically about how you magnanimously tolerate the “Joo-posters” (a derisive term you invented to ridicule those who don't share your pro-Israel bias), as if banning people for disagreeing with you wouldn't violate half a dozen stated rules. Your tolerance of anti-Zionists is only commendable if this is an explicit Zionist space which is founded on the principle of promoting Israels divine right to annex Palestinian land and carpet bomb Palestinian civilians. If that's not a founding principle, you don't get brownie points for tolerating people who are calling out the state of Israel on its gross violation of international law.
I wouldn't be writing this reply if you were just another random Zionist voicing his dumb opinions. In that case, I would just flip the bozo bit on you and ignore your stupid takes from now on. But the fact that you're an actual moderator makes that impossible. I would think moderators should be extra committed to following the rules of the Motte, including being kind, charitable, not antagonistic, avoiding weakmen, not being egregiously obnoxious—all standards you fail here.
Rov_Scam
1d ago
Would you find it more ontologically satisfying if the plaintiffs kept filing daily uncontested motions to recertify the class that the court had to sign? Because that's the alternative.
BahRamYou
1d ago
Well yeah I wasn't trying to just pick one at random. But I didn't pick the very largest either.
We could also look at wall street as a whole: 198 income against 856 billion last year.
But of course Hollywood has huge propaganda/marketing value that might be hard to measure.
NunoSempere
1d ago
I actually tried to find which mod made the announcement back when the forum was on reddit but couldn’t. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Zorba tho (which was my point).
TrannyPornO was one of the best and most interessting contributors The Motte ever had. He also had a tendency to sometimes use rather colorful language. The mods had a policy of escalating bans based on previous bans and their own internal notes and an overactive mod or two who give such notes very easily. This meant that unless you toed the imaginary line of that specific mod, you were more or less guaranteed to end up on the mods’ shitlist with every previous ban being used to justify you getting even deeper on that list.
Thus my suggestion that the most active mods not be allowed to moderate a small specific subset of users.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
Meanwhile you could compare that to any large corporation. let's say, Citigroup:
You picked the 99th biggest company in the world, that's not just "any large" corporation, that's a mega-bank behemoth.
Insane how small Hollywood is though, I had no idea
I was lifting and running 6 days a week before I started GLP-1s about six months ago. I've had to stop lifting such heavy weights because it's just too much to do during consistent weight loss. I'm still hitting PRs from running that can be attributed to more than just weight reduction but damn is it slow going.
I'm eating as much protein as I can stomach. It's a challenge.
Unfortunately the best results from exercising come while eating like a pig.
Some have claimed that Ozempic helps with willpower in general.
Anecdotally, I would say the slowed digestion regularizes my mood a bit better. I have fewer moments where I feel really crashed, which sort of helps with willpower.
Additionally, I don't get as many distracting dopamine hits during the day making me seek out snacks or going for a walk to a cafe for a goodie, so that probably counts for some utility gain.
Rov_Scam
1d ago
Ah, I actually practice this kind of law so I can help you out here (not class actions, but mass torts generally). The question isn't so much whether someone who isn't born yet can be a member of a class; it's the more general question as to whether someone who isn't a member of the class at the time of certification can become one at a later date. And the answer is yes, and it's not controversial, although there are some practical effects that make judges less likely to condone this sort of thing in the modern view, though those concerns don't apply here.
Consider a products liability case. ABC Corp. sells a product with a design defect that has the potential to injure people who use it. A bunch of people are injured and a class action is filed. But most people who use the product haven't been injured. If they were to become injured at a later date they would become part of the class, and the court may require the company to put up settlement money in a trust fund to pay damages to people who are injured years or even decades after the case has resolved. This is especially true in toxic tort cases involving hazardous chemicals, where people can develop diseases years or even decades after exposure.
The reason modern courts are moving away from this is because class actions have to give an option to opt-out and pursue an individual claim, but people without standing to sue in the first place are unable to do this (you can't opt out of a claim you don't have). So when they got injured at a later date they would automatically be subject to a class action award that may be getting pennies on the dollar from a trust fund. For example, the Owens Corning Fibreboard Trust pays 3.7% of the gross scheduled value of asbestos claims. And the gross scheduled value isn't what you'd actually get in a real lawsuit, but what value was assigned by the court at the time of settlement, based on the value of cases settled at the time. Fibreboard created the global settlement fund in 1993, at which time they were paying $126,000 on average to settle claims, so a trust claim will get you about $5,000. For a mesothelioma case that would get millions if it went to verdict. This luckily isn't an issue in asbestos cases, where there are plenty of other defendants to sue, but it would be a problem if the entire case was against one company.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
I dunno. A lot of people (including the mods) think the Motte is ultimately a doomed project and it's just a matter of how long we can keep it going. So far we've lasted longer than most expected.
Eternal September comes for us all, lets all just be happy we get to enjoy as long as we can. Do not go gentle into that good night.
Speaking for myself, I really do try to apply the same moderation principles to the shit-stirring libtards and the Joo-posters, and unsurprisingly, they both think I am clearly out to get them and run cover for the other guys.
You do a great job, and the fact they both think this supports your great job.
Tacherus
1d ago
I’m surprised there haven’t been climate change or other environmental lawsuits citing descendants as part of the class. Or maybe there have been?
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
1d ago
That’s not Eddie Murphy. It’s Nigerian-British actor Kayode Ewumi, portraying his character Roll Safe from the BBC series Hood Documentary.
ulyssessword
1d ago
You did not say "no"
Why would anyone answer a thought experiment with a direct factual analysis? I wouldn't use the trick calculator because I would use a normal one, or possibly specialized software that has error-checking that goes beyond faithfully calculating my button presses. Wow, I'm so insightful.
I notice that you haven't answered the question either: Have you seen humans? I personally see dozens of humans on an average day, but I wouldn't want to assume anything about your answer.
I know its long but seriously watch the video essay on Badness = 0 I posted up thread. It is highly relevant to this conversation.
Where's the relevance? Was it "Using an LLM to answer your questions will cut your workload by 99% but not 99.99% because you have to follow one link to confirm its response"?
0-6:00 Detail orientation!
6:00 - 9:00 Instead of watching >100 videos each about 10-30 minutes long and assessing them himself (or using any other research strategy), the author used a (now) old model with 5% the parameters of GPT4, and it confused a video about error correction algorithms with a video about admitting to and correcting your errors. He got his answer within minutes.
9:00-12:00 Intro to LLMs and his toy example.
12:00-19:00 BoVeX, which is a typesetting software he made that rewrites text to eliminate "bad" breaks in text (e.g. hyphens, overspacing).
19:00-22:00 Conclusion/credits.
MonkeyWithAMachinegun
Dancing to Tom Paine's Bones
1d ago
advanced by Volokh among others
As the number of principled civil libertarians out there actually fighting for rights continues to dwindle, it's always something of a shock to read one of their names in the wild.
Still pretty common.
Just so we're clear, when I say I'm a socialist I'm saying I support at least a large degree of command economy. I'm not saying I want a totalitarian one-party state.
If you're still saying "fuck that", okay, fine. I just want to be sure we're communicating effectively.
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