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Botond173
8hr ago
A female-to-male ratio of 3:2 among college graduates means that one in three college-educated women remains childless and single or intentionally becomes a single mom or marries a working-class man. I doubt any current Western society is prepared to normalize such prospects.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
8hr ago
I just want to register my annoyance that I'm being argued with on a point that's not germane to the topic I was trying to refute.
Probably a bad idea to start off with a very confident declarative statement that's not even germane to the topic you wanted to discuss, then.
Total model "accuracy" hits unacceptably low numbers, in my opinion, because of how many blurred borderline cases there are, resulting in miscategorizations of various types.
What's the acceptable level of accuracy? Would it change your mind if it turned out "race" is no worse in that regard than most other categories in biology, or would it mean we have to throw the entire science out?
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
8hr ago
You see this all the time in California. I know a boomer or two who has empty houses that he doesn't even rent out because he doesn't want to bother.
The tax situation for real estate in California is an incredibly sweet deal. Your tax basis is the valuation at purchase time with a yearly increase not to exceed inflation or 2%. Boomers are paying pennies in property tax on all their properties while people who buy a house now can pay ten thousand a year for an ""starter"" house. Another transfer from the productive to the retired.
2D3D
8hr ago
The future will be robowaifus and robohusbandos to fulfill the emotional satiation quotient of the bottom rung of society that will be doomscrolling on welfare just to keep them out of trouble. The rewards for the highest performers will exist as status and superior experiential material comfort, and their contribution will be state or private embryo donations to perpetuate a superior line.
Other than that I don't see a solve. Women want dewy skinned sparkly guys who aren't abusive assholes, guys want therapy cumdumps, and this is just a fundamental tension of society. Just let people live their life, if they turn out to not be great let them/us rot in our little coccoon worlds and expire without trouble. The big issue is jealous assholes who want stuff in reality and are happy to leverage physical abuse to get their way. Maybe arm the robospouses with kung fu skills, I dunno.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
8hr ago
That's two directions...
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
8hr ago
This sounds like a just-so story. Sorry it just rings false and fanciful without details, though you may be relating something true enough as you perceive it. What's a "ghetto boy?" What's the "best western civilization (whatever that is) can provide"? What's the definition of "terrorized" here?
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
8hr ago
If you’re dating a 28 year old, that 6-12 is spread out over ~12 years, so a new sexual partner every 1-2 years.
That spread can still be a red flag, depending on the distribution. If it's evenly spread out, it sounds like someone with issues forming long-term relationships, who'll sabotage the relationship after 1-2 years. If it's unevenly spread out, it could indicate a slutty period of their life depending on which side of that 6-12 range we're talking about.
You realize that black people didn't hop on their ships, cross the Atlantic and invade America, right? Forcibly enslaving people, displacing them from their homes and bringing them to America is vastly different from an invasive species...invading and ruining an ecosystem?
That's literally how invasive species work. If rabbits had been able to swim to Australia unaided, they wouldn't be invasive, they would be part of the natural ecosystem. Like the French and Spanish in the Americas. Do people even bother calling rats invasive? I suppose the British are the rats in this analogy.
That's not something that happens in America.
I'm admittedly more familiar with Europe, but I'm pretty sure there were some weird stories in the US as well. Wasn't there some gang that took over some apartment complex, or something?
Poverty fetish again.
So in the other comment you criticized conservatism for being the ideology of the uneducated. Guilty as charged, I am an uneducated moron. But do you maybe see why ideologies of the educated "elite human capital" aren't compelling to anyone, when you can't seem to be able to string a sentence together in order to describe your opinion and back it?
I think a society should be able to carry out all the tasks necessary for it's own maintenance without relying on foreign workers. It's not a "poverty fetish" any more than wiping your own ass is. If you can't do it, you're not in good health by definition. If you can but won't, and prefer to hire a servant to do it for you, you're a sociopath.
Your entire idea makes even less sense to me, since from what I recall, in the long term you want to automate away these jobs anyway. So, you import millions of people to form an underclass of low-wage workers with no attachment to your nation or it's culture... how do you expect things to play out, once you take away their jobs?
rae
9hr ago
Yeah sure. And if you have a job applicant whose resume shows 12 different jobs in the past 5 years, none of which lasted more than 3 months, they're 'insecure' if they pass you over for an applicant with a more stable history, right?
If you’re dating a 28 year old, that 6-12 is spread out over ~12 years, so a new sexual partner every 1-2 years. Switching companies every 2 years is perfectly normal in industries like software engineering (in fact it’s often easier to further your career that way than by getting promoted internally).
Also you’re assuming those 6-12 partners were 3 month long relationships. It could have been two high school boyfriends, 3 college flings over the span of 4 years, and a 5 year long relationship that just ended. Are you really going to call that behaviour promiscuous?
Nobody is obligated to be 'secure' about promiscuity, that's laughable to even suggest. Its about the one thing we are genetically wired to BE insecure about. Which is to say, your comment reads like satire.
Body count has never been an issue in my relationships. I know people who’ve had over a hundred sexual partners, now that I understanding having some reservations with, but 6-12 is still in the perfectly normal range. We’re not talking about people who take part in rationalist polyamorous orgies here.
Chrisprattalpharaptr
Ave Imperaptor
9hr ago
literally false?
You realize that black people didn't hop on their ships, cross the Atlantic and invade America, right? Forcibly enslaving people, displacing them from their homes and bringing them to America is vastly different from an invasive species...invading and ruining an ecosystem?
Bailey: But Chris, that was hundreds of years ago! Whiningcoil wasn't talking about the slave trade or all black people, just modern 'ghetto culture.'
Okay...are you sure he wasn't? But whatever, you realize that the parents willingly adopted this child, right? That they consented to adopting and raising a black child? They didn't ask for a white baby and some dastardly HR Karen with a humanities degree shoved a black baby into their arms at the last minute. There's no great replacement theory here, there's no 'hostile invasive species' invading their home against their consent. Just another post from Whiningcoil meant to rattle cages, which for all we know, could be entirely fabricated.
Gaashk
9hr ago
This is trivially true, but unimportant.
American blacks with racial consciousness have started calling themselves Black, and so that's what people call them, unless it's completely laughable like Meghan Markle. If someone with very dark skin comes over from some monastery in Ethiopia and doesn't do any American Black things, and doesn't teach children to whine about someone else getting opressed several generations ago, then even the racists don't complain about them.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
9hr ago
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
9hr ago
Yes? The vast majority of second and third generation Mexican-Americans are never going to fly a Mexican flag in their life. This is a strawman.
Strawman would be a caricature of you position. You're being a bit guarded with it, and so I have to ask some clarifying question about the extent of your beliefs, and such questions cannot be a strawman be definition. So answer please: are the blokes flying the Mexican flag just as American as you?
How the descendants of immigrants are going to integrate is an open question. If they're a tiny minority in an otherwise unified culture, they'll probably integrate. If they're a plurality, and / or the host culture is fragmented, reasons to integrate start disappearing, and there might not even be anything to integrate into, even if they wanted to do it.
Wanting to deport non-white citizens is a suicidal political position because it foments civil war.
I'm not sure citizens can be deported, which is the whole point of doing it now, rather than waiting until the second or third generation. In any case unlimited immigration foments civil war too. Deportations at least have the benefit of not demographically replacing your own nation on top of that.
anti_dan
9hr ago
Most middle class kids never work at Mcdonalds or a similar place (not that there is anything wrong with that). They, in my day, worked as supplemental workers at a place that needed an infusion of labor. I worked at a factory where books were distributed.
100ProofTollBooth
Dumber than a man, but faster than a dog.
9hr ago
They can be forgiven for wanting to shore up the progressive wing by running a woman of color with progressive tendencies, but not so progressive as to be at odds with the platform.
No, they can't. Because they didn't just run "a woman of color with progressive tendencies."
They ran Kamala Harris. Who was the worst candidate in the history of American Presidential races since WW2 (pre-WW2 Presidential stuff is really a completely different dynamic. It's kind of funny it almost parallels the deadball / liveball demarcation for baseball).
The "meta" of what @FiveHourMarathon wrote can be summarized as Democrats Often Neglect Reality (DONR PARTY). They professional politicos simply ignore the obvious. Not always, necessarily, in favor of something else (i.e. identity politics) but just because acknowledging a harsh reality is often jarring and uncomfortable.
Kamala Harris was bad as a candidate. Her interviews were atrocious. Her stump speeches were too volatile - she'd be doing well in one part of one speech but then nosedive in another part. Her "unrehearsed" interactions with her own voters/fans were awkward and seem bizarrely staged even for American politics. She had an awful laugh (which is something you can modify). This is America in 2024. Social media is understood. In fact, it's a cornerstone of mass communication, including politics. Beyond that, the "5 second clip" has been happening since the 2000s. You either have to be psychopathically on-the-ball sharp 24/7 (and this is why I still think Newsome is in the mix for 2028) or you have to develop a brand wherein gaffes and flubs are kind of part of the deal - this is what Trump has been doing ever since his first word salad speech in 2016.
How in the hell do you run Kamala Harris knowing all of these things? She's a dumpster fire of a candidate. But when you Just Say No (I LOVE YOU, NANCY) to reality ... anything can happen.
2D3D
9hr ago
And make the camps livable but not comfortable. Like permanent fat camp. Honestly the best immigration strategy was Ali Gs strategy: only young hot women, no men EVER. I would also advocate for obligate LGB-especially T maximalism and have every declared MTF migrant get the chop. Yay feminism!
coffee_enjoyer
☕️
9hr ago
That’s bad. “Me and Epstein share a secret pleasure that only the elites are able to enjoy. This enigmatic thing never ages, wink wink. But you remember that from last time. I AM WRITING THIS WITHIN THE SILHOUETTE OF A NAKED WOMAN IN CASE THERE IS ANY CONFUSION”.
Eric Weinstein wrote on x a few days ago
He was almost certainly a front used for funding edgy science, information gathering, control, etc away from normal channels.
It wasn’t one thing. He wasn’t a creepy front company…he was a mall filled with different business providing different goods and services. It wasn’t all about raping kids. Some collection of people invested something like 9 figures in creating a weird 11-12 figure fairy tale via leverage. And it was used for a lot of things. It was called Jeffrey Epstein.
The funders of Jeffrey Epstein were possibly able to blackmail both Bill Clinton and Trump. In the 2016 election, no matter what, they had leverage.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
9hr ago
and the only thing it accomplishes is to potentially egg on the next mass shooter
Do you genuinely believe that the next mass shooter is reading The Motte? And if the answer is yes, do you believe that his opinions would not have been radicalized if not for having read racially-tinged comments on The Motte?
pusher_robot
PLEASE GO STAND BY THE STAIRS
9hr ago
either the agenda is unpopular and they know it, or they don’t have an agenda to run on.
It's also a credibility issue. You can only run on building infrastructure or fixing Healthcare and then fail to do it so many times before voters conclude you are either lying or incompetent. Ironically Trump benefited from being outside the establishment in this regard, as while he didn't have any credibility in delivering government results, he at least didn't have the stink of repeated failure to deliver that both parties have accumulated.
This is the I think accurate point the abundance bros are making: it's not actually enough to be in favor of things people want, you have to execute as well. And simply allocating funding doesn't count as executing!
EverythingIsFine
Well, is eventually fine
9hr ago
To summarize: genetic diversity and local groupings are constantly changing (fact of history) and any definition of race you make fundamentally requires you to choose a snapshot in time to use as a baseline (bad and subjective); this concept of race, ill-defined (it's a very high-dimensional space), generalizes poorly to groups with any significant intermixing (which is most groups), and especially generalizes poorly to any given individual (especially recently mixed-race ones). Slicing race more finely, in terms of geographic origin (e.g. "ethnicity"), fixes some of these problems, but far from all.
urquan
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
9hr ago
It's more of a mixed bag for the people possessing it, as you mentioned.
It also encourages people to pursue harmony, intimacy, and compassion, which are real positives. I don’t endorse the “I get whatever I want thing,” but I simply can’t bond with a disagreeable person because I care deeply about fairness and I prefer to resolve conflicts in a way where everyone is heard and cared for. I believe in stating preferences openly, and finding compromise; I’m certainly not interested in docility, but in every kind of human relationship I strongly prefer cooperation and compassion, because we all need it.
I usually think of myself as rather disagreeable, but that does sound like a description an agreeable person would give of themselves. Huh.
Anyway, I would frame the attractiveness of agreeableness as being more about similarity and bonds of affection. I simply don’t like disagreeable people, not because I can’t exploit them (I don’t like exploiting anyone!) but because I feel like I’m constantly being exploited by them, if they even see me as a source of any value, which they usually don’t. I don’t like living like that. I’d rather lay cards on the table and cooperate rather than engage in games of status and one-upmanship.
It’s true that agreeable-agreeable pairings can have their own downsides, but I’ll stack them up against other personality combinations any day, particularly for intimate relationships. Especially if you couple your agreeableness with honesty and forthrightness. Maybe that’s what HEXACO honesty-humility+agreeableness looks like? I don’t know.
Spez1alEd
9hr ago
It seems obvious to me that even assuming WhiningCoil's claim is "true," in the sense that young black men commit more crime, and this is inherent to their biology, and we have countless studies to prove it, it is still perfectly valid to strongly object to describing them as an invasive species. To do so is a blatantly dehumanising use of language that I believe could easily prime those who engage in it to see such a group as less than human, and therefore to be dealt with in the manner you would deal with non-human pests. This isn't complicated, it would be clear to everyone if he were describing Jews in a manner that compared them to vermin. So it is with blacks or any other ethnic group.
To be clear, I'm not accusing him of personally wanting to genocide or start a race war against blacks or anything, nor is this about being squeamish and finding the language offensive. But I think when you normalise referring to groups in such blatantly dehumanising and contemptuous terms, there is a clear risk of it contributing to a culture that views violence against them as legitimate.
There is nothing about acknowledging HBD or even arguing for explicitly racist policy that requires you to engage in this sort of thing, and the only thing it accomplishes is to potentially egg on the next mass shooter and to turn the public against you because whatever points you may or may not have, they can clearly see that your position is rooted in seething hatred and malice.
anti_dan
9hr ago
Harris isn't blameless, but she surely has less blame than the surrounding figures, particularly those that actually made Biden's presidency so unpopular like his Chief of Staff and Secretaries of various departments. She is a classic case of a schoolteacher level intelligence person being elevated far beyond her competence (in this circumstance due to race and willingness to sleep with older men). But she doesnt even know that. Her whole worldview is predicated on her being incapable of learning that.
AAND on top of that all she was the VP, which is typically a useless and powerless position.
Yes I agree with all that. I probably should have been more specific. I just meant that a lot of the talk of teenage brides is not actually trad for Northern Europe.
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