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jkf
10hr ago
Have you met Bulgarians? Been there? I'm one for two, so while I'll grant that there's probably a range of appearances I stongly suspect that either these two or their parents (or both) were not originally from Bulgaria.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
10hr ago
I am, in fact, rather fond of Wikipedia. It is a handy utility.
It also, quite helpfully, notes that the ethnogenesis of modern Bulgarians, includes, among others:
Bulgars – a semi-nomadic Turkic tribal federation, possibly from Central Asia, which settled in the northeast of the Balkans in the 7th century CE, federated with the local Slavic and Slavicized population, organised early-medieval Bulgarian statehood and bequeathed their ethnonym to the modern Bulgarian ethnicity, while eventually assimilating into the Slavic population
The couple in question, while ethnically ambiguous, look "Turkic". It is certainly not out of the question, unlike labeling the offspring of two Nigerian immigrants as Welsh might be. I have functioning eyes, and the myopia is corrected by glasses.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
10hr ago
I suspect that the kids were walking about acting disorderly, yelling at people and/or waving weapons around.
jkf
10hr ago
More time needed on ethnoguesser 'dawg' -- since you like wikipedia so much:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Lazarki_from_Gabra.jpg
KingOfTheBailey
10hr ago
It does seem more likely to me that this is underclass behavior than a self-defense video from a rapey migrant. However:
no evidence
It is written in the scriptures that:
Law of No Evidence: Any claim that there is “no evidence” of something is evidence of bullshit.
No evidence should be fully up there with “government denial” or “I didn’t do it, no one saw me do it, there’s no way they can prove anything.” If there was indeed no evidence, there’d be no need to claim there was no evidence, and this is usually a move to categorize the evidence as illegitimate and irrelevant because it doesn’t fit today’s preferred form of scientism.
Now we're not talking about the scientific establishment this time, but a part of the United Kingdom. While this incident is not from Rotherham or Yorkshire, the state and its justice system from have a history of covering up child abuse by immigrants in the name of "community relations", as well as coming down disproportionately heavily on people who object. While you might say there are proportionately fewer migrants in Scotland, external online observers are going to be aware of Scotland's woke politics. There was the Adam Graham Isla Bryson case, where a rapist adopted a transgender identity during the court process, and was sent to a woman's prison. A sibling comment already mentioned the railroading of Count Dankula. There was also the £7bn superinjunction covering up the importing of 18000–19000 Afghans. It is very easy to say "we found no evidence" if "we" choose not to look very hard, and very easy for an external online observer to believe that the police and other systems in Scotland would do just that, given that we know from West Yorkshire that local police have been part of cover-ups in the past.
So I think it is perfectly rational to have suspicious priors if one is familiar with Rotherham and the extent of similar coverups in the UK, only saw a still from the video, and/or only read suspiciously carefully worded articles from mainstream sources. But the perspective of the camera in the video makes it harder to believe. Screaming "pedophile!" is a weapon underclass kids know how to wield; so is the reflexive "phone camera on, start recording" move. If there was a migrant behaving inappropriately I would expect to see him in the shot, as well as the armed girl.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
10hr ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunning_folk
"I'm a witch, but I'm one of the good ones you see!"
I obviously do not think that "witches" ever had any form of supernatural power.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
10hr ago
That’s fucked up.
If it helps at all…I think you’re doing the right things.
AvocadoPanic
10hr ago
I know what you mean.
Many of the possible organic causes are horrible.
The Elon Musk delusion has persisted since April / May.
Since July, she sometimes seems afraid of me. Has claimed at least at twice thqt I'm abusive but was unable to articulate any actual abuse.
I think I've already used all the let's go get you checked out attempts I'm going to get.
Quantumfreakonomics
10hr ago
We got em. There they are just standing there, menacingly.
(They do look quite tan. I guess these are Romani?)
jkf
10hr ago
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
10hr ago
I dunno dawg. I googled "Bulgarian people", and they pass to me.
You seem to be under the impression that accusing your interlocutor of being a socialist is some kind of I-win button and super-embarrassing.
"Accusing"
The dude is supporting policies embraced by Bernie Sanders (who calls himself a socialist) and says that capitalism is incompatible with Christianity.
So he's
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Anti capitalist
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Supporting socialist ideas
How is it wrong to assume socialism?
I feel you should be aware that outside the 'States - and your interlocutor just said he is - this isn't really all that true. Australia's and the UK's Labour Parties are both former members of Socialist International and still take red - as in, Communist red - as their party colour. Die Linke is a significant party in German politics, and it's literally the East German Communist party with a new name. France's National Assembly is over a quarter declared socialists.
Cool, you can have your socialism in other countries if you want it. The idea that capitalism and Christianity can't coexist is still nonsense, especially since your European countries are often far more godless than America. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/09/05/u-s-adults-are-more-religious-than-western-europeans/
So that's evidence to the contrary, it is your socialism that can not coexist with Christianity.
self_made_human
amaratvaṃ prāpnuhi, athavā yatamāno mṛtyum āpnuhi
10hr ago
Next, you'll tell me the people of Brownland are actually yellow.
(Thanks, even if I meant brown as in the standard definition of "brown people", I'll correct it)
ControlsFreak
10hr ago
If you show up the ED with diverticulitis you could be seen in the ED and sent home with conservative management. You could be put in obs for a day and started on Zosyn and fluids and kept NPO, you could have a perf leading to surgical management, necrosis, and a 3 month hospital stay. Nobody knows any of the numbers associated with this visit until it's done.
What is the number for the next procedure that you are just about to get informed consent for?
Physicians aren't in control of this.
Then you should have no problem supporting a requirement that your employer figure it out.
Health systems aren't in control of this. Most importantly we can't control insurance.
No one has asked you to.
lurker
10hr ago
Tangential but there were in fact, no witches. The witch hunts of europe were started by a guy who wanted an excuse to get a bunch of women who disagreed with his preaching executed and spiraled out of control. The only crime any of the people accused of witchcraft actually committed was at worse disagreeing with a powerful person on theology.
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
You know what's better than tit for tat in game theory? Tit for tat with occasional forgiveness.
Now consider in real life with real life human biases where people just take things as attacks on them when they aren't. Everyone does it. So in a real life situation, we would always be defecting in revenge because we see constant defects (even in cases where there isn't!).
Now consider even more that political groups are not hiveminds. They are rather loose coalitions. A principled traditional conservative and a new era "post-liberal conservative" might both check off for Republican, but we don't clearly match up in many ways.
If a "post-liberal conservative" keeps defecting, I wouldn't want to be blamed for them! And I should rationally be able to extend this understanding to other groups and that they too are loose coalitions.
So the defect fetishists are doomed to never have a cooperation work out, they are always willing to sabotage it. While people willing to be forgiving and work towards cooperation will get wins every once in a while.
It's why the US has been one of the greatest countries in the world while the fascists and communists kept losing. Because even our stongest internal attempts at purging and defecting are weak sauce compared to them, so we get a bunch of cooperation wins.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
11hr ago
This is a terrible response to public disorder. These youths are able to get away with this stuff precisely because of the attitude of resigned acceptance with which they’re treated by passersby.
jkf
11hr ago
Anyways, you know what else is not normal? Following 12 yo girls around the park taping them with your camera in order to report them to the police.
Even allowing your hypothesis that the girls are l.h.c. (likely) and had the weapons to impress their friends (rather than fend off rapists) -- how about just, like -- leave them alone?
I guess the current parlance would be "don't be a Karen" (particularly when you're in somebody else's country) -- but I prefer good old MYOB for pithyness and broad applicability to all of life's struggles.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
11hr ago
If you hear about a sexual assault case in Greenland, you probably shouldn't assume the perpetrator was brown.
A terrible example; Greenland’s population is almost 90% Inuit, and they’re pretty damn brown. Were you thinking of Iceland?
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
Yeah thank you very much. Many of the users here are pretty passive aggressive or (actively rude if you've lurked here for a long while like I have), which makes sense given that the driving emotions literally seems to be "I feel wronged so it's ok to wrong others" but the same way I argue for principled stances, I also don't really want to stoop to that either.
Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
11hr ago
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
Would you have been calling for the state taking ownership of the means of production before this had happened? I really doubt many conservatives would have.
Maybe it's motivated reasoning ex post facto trying to justify his behavior or maybe it's just that "conservativism" as a label has already been stolen by people who hate free market capitalism and small government, but it's the exact opposite of traditional conservative ideas.
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