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pigeonburger
2m ago
It doesn't stop the psychos, sure, but it puts the breaks on the acceleration by making sure it does not seem like an appealing way to achieve your goals to non-psychos. Which is what the real danger is, psychos are more or less a constant, a fact of life, but normalized political violence is the beginning of the end of a civilization.
Throwaway05
3m ago
I think people who live in Red areas and Blue area Blues do not realize how oppressed a lot of America feels.
Are we really? Maybe not, but the feeling is there.
Gillitrut
Reading from the golden book under bright red stars
3m ago
Charlie Kirk believed it was part of God's perfect moral law that people who are my friends, my family, my coworkers should be stoned to death. He described Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson (and other black women) as affirmative action hires who stole their spots from white people and who don't have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. This whole attempt to lionize Kirk after his death has been extremely black pulling, as a leftist. Basically none of the articles that try to do so can actually mention things Kirk said or believed because if they did their audience would not think he was worth lionizing! He didn't deserve to get killed for his views but this attempt to pretend Kirk was just the nicest kindest commentator we should all seek to emulate is insane.
edmund-nelson
Filthy Anime Memester
5m ago
I know this is going to sound strange but are you by any chance moderately rich?
A lot of the growth in the past few years in the USA has been driven by rising wages for the poorest people, so stuff like fast food has gotten way more expensive.
This means that while certain things got cheaper (TVS phones ect) and certain things got more expensive, the things that are more expensive tend to be the "upper middle class" purchases (ex restaurant food)
I mean "killing" them by eating the talent. They didn't disappear, the quality is just shockingly low.
DirtyWaterHotDog
10m ago
I have only seen unequivocal sympathy.
Some Republican public faces have jumped to blaming the left for this. The response by Dems has been silence or carefully phrased clap backs towards those public faces, but not towards Kirk himself.
Can you give me examples of national Democratic politicians blaming Kirk ? Especially in the 24 hour frenzy following his death.
ThomasdelVasto
Κύριε, ποίησόν με ὄργανον τῆς ἀγάπης σου
11m ago
What's your favorite comfort food when you have a cold? I have a cold.
ThenElection
18m ago
People overstate the cost of living aspect. Most costs, except for real estate, are a rounding error compared to the generous compensation. And even real estate just means you do have to plan and save a couple years for it like everyone else in the US; two people in tech can easily afford a detached single family home in a nice neighborhood in San Francisco. And when you hit whatever number you're aiming for, you can retire decades early.
That's all with minimal risk and a reasonable work life balance.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
21m ago
...and American dominance in software is downstream, among other things, from the huge national security state investment campaign obviously connected to tech industry right from the start in various ways
National security state tech has been around much longer than FAANG, is smaller, and has fairly little overlap with it. Aside from simply providing general support services like government clouds and Microsoft Windows/Office, the biggest overlap is likely Oracle. They are largely distinct sets of companies and employees. Google has tried to dabble in that and mostly failed.
07mk
22m ago
I didn't vote for Trump this last time in spite of interest in doing so because I was afraid that I'd be tired one day, lose my poker face and reveal who I voted for.
These were definitely strong motivators for me in voting for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024. I probably would've abstained - not because I disliked both candidates, but because I believe that the likelihood of the future changing due to my vote is so infinitesimally small that I don't see it as worth it (and the state in which I lived only made that even less likely) - but given how much the Blue Tribe sees insufficient applause as disapproval, I didn't want to take the risk of being in a situation where I'd have to lie that I voted for Biden or Harris. Which made the decision to vote and whom to vote for really really easy.
Throwaway05
22m ago
I saw Cenk's response which I thought was shockingly good. I don't really follow his community but I think he got in trouble with the left recently anyway for standard insufficient purity problems.
I heard something about Hasan being scheduled to debate Charlie soon which probably really really made it real in his mind.
He's a LARPer, realizing what he is saying is real life will shatter a lot of ego defenses.
functor
24m ago
There used to be rules of wars and strict protocol surrounding them. The republicans have firmly rejected this notion even saying that they would militarily attack the Hague if an American was tried for war crimes. The republicans and mainstream democrats have completely rejected the idea of the Geneva convention.
If your concept is "I can kill however I want because I am special and rules don't apply to me" you can't be shocked when someone else follows your line of reasoning. The view of Afghan villagers weren't taken into consideration when their weddings were blown up and this is fine according to Kirk with friends. But he and his world view has to be taken into consideration when he gets wacked.
Either we have rules of engagement that are enforced globally or we have personal preferences. He lived and died by the latter view.
Throwaway05
24m ago
Consider:
- Condemn the shooting because it is the wrong thing to do.
Or.
- Condemn the shooting because actually I'm for shooting those people. Wait this is America and the right has more guns. Umm. Don't shoot me? But I'd still be okay if you shot them.
Given for instance, Hasan's interests and platforms he seems entirely pro political shooting if the victim is "zionist" enough for him, but obviously he would not like to be on someone else's list.
Depending on if it is 1 or 2 you may get different private statements, different behaviors going forward, and different policy decisions about what to do on this.
I want people to condemn the shooting because political violence is bad, not because they could be the next victim.
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
24m ago
Yes? And?
From one perspective, sure, it looks like the right are hypocrites. From another perspective, that's just how thoroughly the left won, that now the right has to play by their rules. Congratulations! You got "your rules applied fairly". You had a good run of "your rules applied unfairly", 4-6 years I'd guess. But now you are a victim of your own success I suppose.
I wouldn't take bets on how long "your rules applied unfairly" will apply to killing people for things they say. But I would expect to reach an equilibrium of "your rules applied fairly" at some point.
Corvos
26m ago
These links all describe incidents at the start of the 1950s. What people get annoyed about is pointing to genuinely nasty things that happened to some number of gay people in the 50s to justify giving them complete cultural dominance* in the 2000s and 2010s.
*Until they were superseded by trans in the late 2010s.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
27m ago
Inversely, it feels like the "tech industry" is eating American software and other areas of the economy are often left in sort of an software desert.
It's what are called "H-1B dependent companies" (eg. WiPro, Infosys) and directly hired H-1Bs who eat the lower end of American software -- the people writing boring bespoke business logic for companies in other industries. Big Tech isn't killing them; it did kill some of the IT support infrastructure for some of those companies (since you don't need it to rent machines on AWS/Azure; only "some" of those companies as others are not willing to give up physical control of their machines for various reasons)
oats_son
27m ago
He believes it because it already happened.
cjet79
29m ago
There is some silliness here. The existence of a zero sum game at the top of a field doesn't mean everyone has to be involved.
Only one person can have the absolute best house. It's a zero sum game. And there can be an arms race / wealth race to own that house. But there is no limit on how many people can have an excellent house.
Zero sum competition seems to be the game in top end places like New York or San Francisco. But you can travel to any other metropolitan area, find a software or finance job at one of the many companies based in that city and be at the top end of middle class wealth in that city.
Competition for Ivy League schools can drive kids crazy, but a good state school is not hard to access.
I live in a good house, in a good neighborhood, in a good area, with good schools, and our family income is through good well paying jobs. None of these things in my life are the best. There are better houses / neighborhoods / schools / jobs / etc. But I'm happy at the current trade-off point.
I am continually confused by people that seem willing to burn all of their wealth and happiness to compete for the best in something. I often find that quality growth in a product or service is linear. And price growth is linear, except for the top end of the market where things go exponential.
07mk
29m ago
See: Hasan.
What's going on with Hasan, is he legit terrified of right-wing reprisal attacks against leftwing commentators like him (something I think, unfortunately, is both highly rational and correct for him to feel right now)? I've never watched him and only encountered him passingly on clips and online-celebrity-interest articles and such, and most recently, I saw someone comment that Hasan watched the shooting on stream and that the few seconds after the shooting were the only times he thought Hassan genuinely looked like a real human instead of as his streamer persona. Since I want to avoid seeing the actual shooting (I've unfortunately encountered a freeze frame which was rather unpleasant), I didn't seek out the clip of him watching it, and I haven't heard what he had to say about the murder and its continuing aftermath.
From what little I know about him, I would've predicted standard issue deflection, but that's what I would've expected from his uncle Cenk Uygur, and his response turned out to be basically the best response from a leftwing figure that I've seen so far, at least on Twitter. And his followup tweets seem to double down on this, like opening with "I’ll work with anyone on the right to appeal to our better angels," something that's sure to be costly to him in terms of his leftist fanbase. What a bizarre, absurd situation it'd be if the Uygur-Piker cluster of leftists ends up being the saviors who actually bring credibility and legitimacy and decency to that side.
Pulpachair
34m ago
Is there a case to be made for canceling in this particular circumstance? Contrast with Brendan Eich who was cancelled for donating to the wrong side of a roughly 50/50 split issue. The cancellation was a flex by the left. The right objected because Eich played by the rules and got cancelled anyway.
Cheering on and excusing political assassinations against peaceful political opponents should not be within the Overton window of a civilization. Enforcing a norm against that seems justifiable, though definitely in danger of being a slippery slope.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
38m ago
...why would being personally terrified obscure this thing? Is this some sort of an artificial standard where it's only "real" care or condemnation if they're floating on an abstract plane, free from any personal feeling? Of course their feelings related to their own personal security are going to affect whatever they're saying, they're human after all.
Primaprimaprima
Aliquid stat pro aliquo
41m ago
"Can you and will you keep the faith after you feel certain the faith has failed you? In other words, does this sensation go beyond your ego, when 'you' (in quotes) feel certain it's been extinguished? Does your resolve go far enough outside your ego that you will continue when 'you' feel totally certain it's over? And when I say you feel totally certain it's over, I mean you wake up in the morning and you feel on every level like it's done. Including on that outer level. That's the fucked part of it. You will feel abandoned. You will feel certain you're defeated on every level. Does that sensation or that trust in this deity go far enough that you will remain at your post after you feel totally, pragmatically and mystically, certain, that there is no more post? Or another way to think of it, are your instincts stronger than your instincts? Will you continue to believe after you've stopped believing?"
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
41m ago
I think nowadays people who would claim to move to Canada just get off Twitter and onto Bluesky. It's a lot less commitment, but at least they actually DO it.
@DaseindustriesLtd and @Bingbong are both partially right but a big reason is actually just that after the dotcom bust in 2001 the dollar had a decade of extremely, uniquely, ahistorically poor performance against pretty much every other currency (both EM and developed market) that distorted nominal dollar-denominated GDP figures.
For example, the pound went from being $1.45 in 2000 to $2.01 in 2007. The British economy wasn’t hugely stronger and this was a low point for Silicon Valley stocks, the cause was a bunch of investment and trade flow stuff, reallocation out of the US toward emerging markets and big commodity producers, the Australian and Canadian dollars did very well, US equity markets had a lost decade. The Euro also did well. That kind of thing. The GFC was the beginning of the end of this process but it didn’t really finish until after the oil boom finally ended in 2014.
After 2014, trillions of dollars in speculative capital flowed into American capital markets from the entire world because of the tech sector. That wasn’t unprecedented - the same thing happened in the 1880s and 1890s with European money headed for railroads and some other American industrials. But the reverse flows boosted the dollar artificially, exaggerating although not inventing comparatively more advanced American prosperity. Those capital inflows boosted every aspect of the American economy in comparative terms, making for a tighter labor market and therefore higher wage growth, more consumer spending etc in a virtuous cycle.
But European weakness doesn’t date back to 2014 or even 2009. If anything, there’s probably some kind of macro story around the unfathomable economic costs of German reunification and early Eurozone labor market distortion in the late 90s and early 2000s that was obscured by that asset reallocation discussed above but I don’t know enough to tell it.
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