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Gooofuckyourself
4mo ago
It had already run its course by 2016, which was the year Congress officially banned the biographical "test." That the number of white men kept falling just indicates they kept up all the other well-documented discriminatory behavior even after the biography debacle.
And regardless of the ratios, trace's article shows that faa hiring had been laser focused on race instead of hiring more qualified people to make up their staffing shortfall. The worst part wasn't hiring unqualified people (because they did all pass the same test), it was refusing to hire as many qualified people as they needed because too many of them would be white.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
4mo ago
Not as sure on what Trump would want from Canada, besides possibly a regime change to a more conservative government.
I'm only considering Ontario in this analysis, but what if it's the factories? Southern Ontario didn't go full Detroit and is still relatively industrialized; if the US thinks it's going to war, perhaps it's best to bring facilities that are still relatively capable of producing war materiel under the exclusive control of the American government. It's also a province that provides strategically-key resources to Blue states; as I understand it the province of Ontario is a bit more amenable to things like natural gas pipelines that Blue states have banned.
They didn't do that for WW2, but the American strategic position at that time was much more tenuous, being under threat on all sides by two very powerful empires. The Canadian one was stronger at that time, especially considering the British Empire, though a dead man walking, still existed; the US' war plan against Canada at the time specifically mentions they expected reinforcements from them.
Other than that, I've got nothing. I'm not sure what strategic value the Northwest Territories (as in, "everything west of Ottawa") would provide by being conquered that it hasn't already provided at some point in the past other than perhaps a functionally infinite supply of oil too far inland for the Chinese to hit with torpedoes (let alone hypersonics).
netstack
Texas is freedom land
4mo ago
Man. I think we had an account with that name on here somewhere. Wonder if he got himself banned?
I know that you know that DeepSeek is throughly compromised when it comes to anything involving China or the Culture War. Why are you pretending that we as readers should take anything it outputs seriously?
I am once again asking the mods that posts of the form "I couldn't be bothered to make my own argument so I prompted a large language model to make one for me" be banned under the "low effort" rule
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
4mo ago
If you really believe this - why don't you just take the next logical step and just talk to AIs full time instead of posting here?
Make them act out the usual cast of characters you interact with on here. They're intelligent, they're just as good as posters here, and you get responses on demand. You'll never get banned and they probably won't complain about LLM copypasta either. What's not to love?
If you do find yourself wanting to actually talk to humans on an Internet forum rather than to LLMs in a puppet house, hopefully it's clear why there's a rule against this.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
4mo ago
People get banned for saying worse things about Jews, too.
As always, context and history is important and I already explained why this post received a harsh ban for a relatively mild comment.
ZanarkandAbesFan
4mo ago
On the other hand, you seem to always just be biding your time until you can unload more sneering at "mayos." I am not fond of people who are only here to shit on the people they hold in contempt, who are just itching to let those people know how much contempt they hold them in.
People say far worse things here about Jews all the time. Not that I'm asking for such posters to be banned but I'm not sure why calling whites "mid" (not a statement I personally endorse) is crossing the line while far more extreme statements about other groups get a pass.
AMRAAM with a LEAP
One immediately thinks of ASM-135 but that's ancient at this point, I'm sure they've made lots of classified progress since. Although I'm just now learning that the US banned air-to-space missile testing as recently as 2022, maybe they finally had something that didn't require further testing?
The last time I looked into this was back in 2008 when they shot down USA-193 with a modified anti-ship missile. It doesn't seem that difficult to imagine that USSF has some plausibly deniable interceptors up there right now.
I do wonder if the recent advances in cruise missiles make all these ballistic shenanigans moot though.
RenOS
something is wrong
4mo ago
Graham Factor has a nice article(just apply for access, it only takes a day or so to get approved) which includes a part on how de-facto outsourcing of government work to NGOs gives you the worst of all worlds, especially in the context of the police: The same inefficiency as the government but with none of the accountability.
I don't think NGOs need to be banned, but the current reality of government funding of unaccountable NGOs combined with a revolving door between either of them is quite dysfunctional. Nothing raises my cynicism like seeing a high-level government worker being so outrageously incompetent as to lose their position (a tall order to begin with!) due to public pressure, only for them to manage some multi-million government-funded NGO immediately thereafter.
FCfromSSC
Nuclear levels of sour
4mo ago
Because it's a way to make concrete a claim about abstract principles. The obvious next question is "what do you think should be done about it?"
"Infant circumcision is a human rights violation" "Judaism is founded on a ritual that is a human rights violation" and "Circumcision should be banned, and Jews who continue the practice should be jailed" are three distinct statements, and it's instructive to see how far someone is willing to ride this particular train.
ABigGuy4U
4mo ago
I haven’t yet seen any serious attempts at Holocaust denial from the left, but on Reddit I did notice a sharp increase in the “Oy vey! Remember the Six Gorillion!” type of cracks whenever Israel tried to invoke the Holocaust as justification for the Gaza war. It was pretty shocking to me, because that type of thing would have immediately gotten you ridiculed and hard-banned on Reddit just a few years ago.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
4mo ago
We have never been AAQC-blind and we've always been explicit that good contributors get more slack. The slack is finite, though. We've banned people with tons of AAQCs for repeated shitlording.
WhateverHappenedToNorman
4mo ago
Can't we reach a compromise in which he's not banned, but we're free to call him a Jeet?
In case you're banned, I suppose you can't reply to this. But I will have to disagree that whites are mid.
Most of the giants of humanity (Einstein, Tesla, Hawking, any "great person") were white. This is a good marker of intelligence. Asians are better at rote memorization, but that is a very bad marker of higher intelligence, and it's mostly a result of spending 40% more hours studying on average.
I will have to disagree with creativity too when it means "originality" due to the collectivist nature of Asia. If you mean "artistic skills" however, I will have to agree with you, asians win.
Working with constraints results in creativity for everyone. There's a reason why writers block mostly occur as a result of a blank page. This is how the human mind works, and it's merely a coincidence that the Chinese are more restrained at the moment.
As for "How good the look after age 30", I mostly agree, but it doesn't seem very related to other metrics.
Felagund
4mo ago
I like having BurdensomeCount around, and would be sad to see him banned.
My opinion probably doesn't count for all that much, but I like to think I'm one of the relatively more measured users here.
MaximumCuddles
The world-spirit texting on the toilet
4mo ago
That’s a good one.
Or have a minor character who mentions it be banned from there for life but still lurking. You’d have your pick of the litter as to who that is.
Okay, you're back to baiting. You've been told about this before. A lot.
I'm kind of torn on what to do here. You're a long-timer who many people enjoy reading, you have interesting perspectives, and you've earned one (but only one) AAQC.
On the other hand, you seem to always just be biding your time until you can unload more sneering at "mayos." I am not fond of people who are only here to shit on the people they hold in contempt, who are just itching to let those people know how much contempt they hold them in.
You are overall someone who probably is a net positive here, as annoying as you are, but you've got a long rap sheet, and the last few bans have been of increasing length, with notes that this is your "final warning" and you probably deserve a permaban next time. In fact, at one point you were permabanned but enough members spoke up in your favor that we reduced it to 20 days.
That was four bans ago.
Most people would have been permabanned by now. You probably should be permabanned. You do seem to have a pattern of toning it down for a while after you return from a ban, but you don't really learn your lesson, because the seething contempt is always boiling just below the surface.
Against my better judgment, I'm only banning you for 90 days. (That was your last ban length also.) This comment in itself was pretty mild, it's just that it's the kind of comment you make over and over and over again every time you think you can get away with some more baiting.
Next time will probably depend on which mod deals with you, but I will have no mercy.
ETA: Post-ban editing to whine about the ban IMO deserves a permaban, but I'll throw it to the other mods to decide if they want to shorten it.
Really proving the point of my statement with that ban.
Dude, accusing me of all people here of feeling some sort of white ethnic defensiveness is both ridiculous and proves you just meant to insult people. I don't care if you think I, personally, am "mid" because of my mayo pallor, but you are not allowed to just throw generalized insults at your racial outgroup.
Had I said blacks as a race are mid nobody would have raised even a peep
You know this is not true. People say shit about whites, blacks, Jews, and Indians all the time here, but just dumping on an entire race because you want to express your contempt has always been modded.
DaseindustriesLtd
late version of a small language model
4mo ago
That's the point: He is invited NOW, after "suddenly" shipping a model on Western Frontier level.
We don't understand the motivations of Deepseek and the quant fund High-Flyer that's sponsoring them, but one popular hypothesis is that they are competing with better-connected big tech labs for government support, given American efforts in cutting supply of chips to China. After all, the Chinese also share the same ideas of their trustworthiness, and so you have to be maximally open to Western evaluators to win the Mandate of Heaven.
Presumably, this was true and this is him succeeding. As I note here.
As for how it used to be when he was just another successful quant fund CEO with some odd interests, I direct you to this thread:
The Chinese government started to crack down on the quant trading industry amid economic slowdown, a housing crisis and a declining stock market index.
The CSI300 (Chinese Blue Chip Index) reached an all-time low. They blamed high frequency traders for exploiting the market and causing the selloff.
- Banned a quant competitor from trading for 3 days
- Banned another from opening index futures for 12 months
- Required strategy disclosures before trading
- Threatened to increase trading costs 10x to destroy the industry High-Flyer faced extinction. (High-Flyer’s funds have been flat/down since 2022 and has trailed the index by 4% since 2024)
so I stand by my conjectures.
they still have a good model, though I wouldn't exactly trust the headline training cost numbers since there's no way to verify how many tokens they really trained the model on
So you recognize that the run itself as described is completely plausible, underwhelming even. Correct.
What exactly is your theory then? That it's trained on more than 15T tokens? 20T, 30T, what number exactly? Why would they need to?
Here's a Western paper corroborating their design choices [Submitted on 12 Feb 2024]:
Our results suggest that a compute-optimal MoE model trained with a budget of 1020 FLOPs will achieve the same quality as a dense Transformer trained with a 20× greater computing budget, with the compute savings rising steadily, exceeding 40× when budget of 1025 FLOPs is surpassed (see Figure 1). … when all training hyper-parameters N, D, G are properly selected to be compute-optimal for each model, the gap between dense and sparse models only increases as we scale… Higher granularity is optimal for larger compute budgets.
Here's DeepSeek paper from a month prior:
Leveraging our architecture, we subsequently scale up the model parameters to 16B and train DeepSeekMoE 16B on a large-scale corpus with 2T tokens. Evaluation results reveal that with only about 40% of computations, DeepSeekMoE 16B achieves comparable performance with DeepSeek 7B (DeepSeek-AI, 2024), a dense model trained on the same 2T corpus. We also compare DeepSeekMoE with open source models and the evaluations demonstrate that DeepSeekMoE 16B consistently outperforms models with a similar number of activated parameters by a large margin, and achieves comparable performance with LLaMA2 7B (Touvron et al., 2023b), which has approximately 2.5 times the activated parameters. Evaluation results show that DeepSeekMoE Chat 16B also achieves comparable performance with DeepSeek Chat 7B and LLaMA2 SFT 7B in the chat setting. Encouraged by these results, we further undertake a preliminary endeavor to scale up DeepSeekMoE to 145B. The experimental results still validate its substantial advantages over the GShard architecture consistently. In addition, it shows performance comparable with DeepSeek 67B, using only 28.5% (maybe even 18.2%) of computations.
As expected they kept scaling and increasing granularity. As a result, they predictably reach roughly the same loss on the same token count as LLaMA-405B. Their other tricks also helped with downstream performance.
There is literally nothing to be suspicious about. It's all simply applying best practices and not fucking up, almost boring. The reason people are so appalled is that American AI industry is bogged down in corruption covered with tasteless mythology, much like Russian military pre Feb 2022.
FCfromSSC
Nuclear levels of sour
4mo ago
I am all for plan A, even now.
One of the recurring arguments I've participated in over the years is whether we should ban circumcision. I'm circumcised, and on the balance I would rather not be. Nevertheless, I consistently argue that we should not ban circumcision, because while I perceive it to be a net-loss, I do not think it is a very severe net loss, and I observe that there is a significant population of my fellow citizens who disagree with my assessment and wish to retain it.
Usually, those arguing for banning it point out that it is genital mutilation performed on helpless infants. They point out that we ban female circumcision/genital mutilation just fine, and that there is no principled distinction for why we should ban one and not the other. Now, my understanding is that female circumcision is often much more damaging than male circumcision; I base this on descriptions of female circumcision on the one hand, and my own experience with being circumcised on the other. but beyond that, I note that there is not a large population of people practicing female circumcision deeply rooted in our society, so maintaining a ban on the practice is considerably less costly. I think we should tolerate the practices of our neighbors, and decline to make neighbors of foreigners with practices we are not willing to tolerate.
I think this is a pretty good way to look at things. My experience is that it is not a Liberal way of looking at things, and in fact Liberals will tend to object strongly to both ends of it. In my experience, they will argue vociferously that circumcision should be banned because it is a violation of human rights and dignity, and likewise that female circumcision should not only be banned here, but we should expend significant effort to suppress the practice abroad, since it is so obviously repugnant. They will then argue that there is no reason not to import large masses of people for whom female circumcision is a well-cemented custom, on the assumption that all that is needed is "education" to conform them to our standards. By doing so, though, they make those very standards and the enforcement of them far more fraught then they ought to be; if we're basically all on the same page, there's no reason for a massive centralized enforcement apparatus to ensure conformity, but once we're trying to mass-conform large numbers of immigrant Muslims, the same mechanisms can be turned to mass-conform Jews or Christians like myself where we run afoul of the issue du jour. And we will run afoul of it, because the "common sense values" that the centralized enforcement apparatus would be hammering people into observably undergo large-magnitude swings under timescales of less than a decade.
The standard Liberal position is that our political and social processes, things like voting, legislating, the courts, a free press, the "marketplace of ideas" and so on, are sufficient to handle arbitrary differences in values. I used to believe that. I very much do not believe that any longer. It is not enough to simply punt to "the system" to handle differences in values. "The system" is priceless, but it is in fact a fragile thing, and if we treat it like an immutable fact of the universe it will not be there to pass on to our children.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
4mo ago
Oh, it's you again. Damn cold, makes it harder to focus or I'd have spotted you before you got out of the queue.
I really don't understand the mindset of you and your ilk, though my best guess is that you feel like you have to "win," you absolutely cannot admit you've been made, and so you have to keep coming back again and again because surely this time we won't see through your clever disguise.
The thing serial alts don't understand is that most of them are just... honestly quite terrible at concealing themselves. Their writing style, their obsessions, the way they appear and engage.... they'll try to "disguise" themselves and think they're not giving themselves away, but the thing is, it has almost nothing to do with how smart you are. One guy I knew, on a long-ago forum no one remembers, was probably one of the smartest people I've ever known, but he was also absolutely batshit crazy, got himself banned constantly for being hyper-aggro and possessing zero self control, and he was obsessed with proving he was smarter than the people who kept banning him. He'd sneak back in, over and over and over again, each time as obvious as, well, one who farts in a room, loudly and pungently, and each time he was enraged that he'd get made and banned again.
Uh, what was my point? Sorry, rambling. Like I said, I have a cold.
So anyway, banned. Buh-bye.
WhiningCoil
4mo ago
I'm most shocked at how there is no escaping The Narrative on reddit anymore. Leave /r/games for /r/pcgaming and a few years later it's just as bad. Weird political PC Gamer articles that shoehorn in Trump. And every time reality starts poking through, like with nobody wanting to play the extended trans polemic that was Dragon Age: Veilguard, you effectively can't bring up how gross it is to have a game dedicate a mandatory1 side character's entire storyline to lecturing you about gender. So "bad writing" becomes the coded acceptable phrase and all the threads get locked. All the dedicated dissident places have been banned, or so neutered out of fear of being banned they are dead.
Maybe I should just go back to 4chan, or get another protonmail account just to sign up for kiwifarms. My days of expressing my honest opinion here are clearly numbered. I'm against the rules.
1: Mandatory in the sense that if you want the best ending, as most compulsive RPG players do, you are obligated to recruit that character and finish all their side quest.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
4mo ago
That's something that bothers me -- it's pretty much apolitical to submit this framing that he's a Nazi/fascist/whatever and ask if X links can be banned, but to actually discuss the framing is political, so the framing wins by default. It's something we've seen quite a few times by now, but I don't know what the answer is.
The answer was Musk buying Twitter and the US re-electing Trump. That is, it's a conflict that cannot be resolved by reason and compromise, only by one side defeating the other.
oats_son
4mo ago
That's something that bothers me -- it's pretty much apolitical to submit this framing that he's a Nazi/fascist/whatever and ask if X links can be banned, but to actually discuss the framing is political, so the framing wins by default. It's something we've seen quite a few times by now, but I don't know what the answer is.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
5mo ago
"My ingroup tells the truth. My outgroup are all liars, and you should definitely hate the people I hate."
Making inflammatory generalizations about groups you hate is about all you do and you have an impressively long track record of doing this (and posting little else).
Banned for three days, and it's only this short because it's been a while since your last driveby, but at this point you're on the "escalate consequences steeply" slope that looks a lot like the FAFO graph.
They were quite wealthy during the Middle Ages, e.g. Sicily under the Norman Roger II. However the south's cash crops stagnated the economy as great wealth flowed in without much need for diversification and increasing complexity (...and later the Kingdom of the 2 Sicilies banned agricultural exports!) Prosperity started breaking down in the 14th century, then in the 15th century when large earthquakes and plagues decimated the population and slave raids shifted settlements inland; the Spanish art of governance (rent seeking) also halted development (cf. Spanish literacy into the late 19th century).
Nevertheless, up to unification, Naples remained one of Europe's largest and wealthiest cities. Sicily had 3 of the most industrialized provinces in 1871 - but they hadn't changed production methods for centuries, doing seasonal labor in workshops (compared to the area around Milan which used power looms etc. from the 1820s).
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