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Jiro
1d ago
If you read my comment more carefully, you'd know the whole point was to contrast mainstream conservatives with the far-right, who I recognize as distinct groupings.
Then why do you claim that most of this site is far right?
Hadad
1d ago
I continue not to see why their population matters to our bombing campaigns. At no point does Iran have too many people such that we shrug and accept them going nuclear.
Hadad
1d ago
Why? We're not looking to nation build there, last I checked, we're looking to nation destroy so they don't develop nuclear weapons.
Owlify
1d ago
Yes, if she really believed that the fetus wasn't really a person yet and no harm would occur by aborting it.
Testing123
1d ago
As far as anyone can tell, the US government is currently considering military action against Iran. Surely a factor in whether that occurs is the population of Iran. There are many direct and indirect differences between bombing a country with a population of 90 million and 5 million. The population has ramifications for the number of deaths, the economic impact on the country and region, potential refugees, potential enemy combatants, and many other variables.
As a basic conceptual matter, I can't take someone's commentary on a country seriously unless they at the very least have a rough sense of the country's population, GDP, GDP per capita, major religious groups, major ethnic groups, and basic government structure.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
1d ago
What utility does knowing Iran's population matter? What relevance is the specific number of Iranians to any American interests?
If you're considering replacing its government by force, the size population you'll end up administering (at best) or fighting seems quite relevant.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1d ago
He thinks the right in America has been taken over by the Moral Majority types who insist on being anti-abortion and pro-single motherhood, and are then bleeding-hearts about paying out taxpayer money to support those single moms and their babies.
As someone who remembers the Moral Majority, they were definitely not "pro-single motherhood." They did make a show of supporting single mothers who made the decision not to abort, but mostly by encouraging them to put the child up for adoption. It was a trope at the time (still seen today, but it was very well known then) that "right-wingers care about babies right up until the moment they are born" because MM types famously wanted to outlaw abortion but do away with welfare, and were very big into shaming women slutty enough to get knocked up outside of marriage. No, this wasn't entirely fair/universally true, but it wasn't entirely untrue either.
HereAndGone
1d ago
Yeah. I mean, it's possible that after achieving immortality and becoming the most powerful being anywhere ever, this guy will then kick back and devote the rest of eternity to drinking tea, writing poetry, and having pleasant salons to discuss literary and philosophical topics... but I wouldn't bet the house on it. Particularly if everyone else can now see that holy crap, it is indeed possible to achieve immortality, you just need to be a total asshole about it. A lot of wannabe gunslingers coming after him is the least bad outcome, because can you have more than one "most powerful being anywhere ever"? Won't they all strive to defeat each other to be the cock of the walk? Can people who have spent centuries scheming, plotting, and doing whatever it takes to get to that state really all live in harmony and peace alongside the knowledge that there are two/five/twenty others like them out there, all wanting to rule the world (or whatever)?
Hadad
1d ago
I'm not professorgerm, but I'd disagree with it because the Marxist ideal has been tried, in a way that promoting a less sex-obsessed culture hasn't since our grandparent's eras (where, coincidentally, society did in fact seem less sex obsessed).
You can say Marxism hasn't been tried. But it has.
fribble
1d ago
I have had several different programming jobs, as has my spouse, and they have all been different. I am betting you are a good programmer within your niche but your isolation is eating at your confidence.
Faking it until you make it is legit. Also, maybe direct your workplace time wasting to something more productive - do you have industry relevant certs? Work on any open source code so your GitHub looks decent? Have a spiffy resume site showing off some stuff your proud of/working on?
And. Get away from the computer a bit. My daily lunch walk is crucial. I also set an alarm to get up and move every hour or two. Let your eyes see something further away than the monitor.
HereAndGone
1d ago
Okay, non-religious rightists only disapprove of women having premarital sex.
I think Alexander would qualify that by "having premarital sex and getting pregnant", he's not anti-sex or anti-right, he's anti-the wrong people having too many babies. He wants the lower classes to strive to emulate the middle class, where responsible parenting means girls aren't sexually active in their teens because they're encouraged to concentrate on school/college, if they are sexually active in their unmarried twenties they are not promiscuous, they use contraception and avail of abortion if the contraception fails, and once married their husband is working, maybe they have a job too, and they have two kids whom they can afford to pay for to raise themselves. Any girl who deviates from this by getting knocked up and insisting on having the kid with no partner is shamed and ostracised.
He thinks the right in America has been taken over by the Moral Majority types who insist on being anti-abortion and pro-single motherhood, and are then bleeding-hearts about paying out taxpayer money to support those single moms and their babies.
At least, that's the impression I've got from past arguments with him. I admit, I don't know where he's getting "far-right" from, but I wonder if he's conflating the "right being contaminated by the pro-lifers" with that and not strictly the Not to love Der Fuehrer is a great disgrace types.
solowingpixy
the resident car guy
1d ago
Slightly, but not totally. The teen pregnancy issue during the W era was actually most strongly a southwestern Hispanic phenomenon, with states like Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico having higher teen pregnancy rates than deep southern states. Nevada used to have a higher teen pregnancy rate than Alabama!
Broadly, those same heavily Hispanic States have seen the largest drops in teen fertility. Deep southern states also fell, but less so, more like a 50% drop, while the northeastern and midwestern states dropped something like 60%.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
Chesterton had some bangers, I also thought of a slightly sneer-y remix I'd like to get your thoughts on.
"The Marxist ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried."
If you disagree with this, I'd love to know why?
Hadad
1d ago
Why doesn't Ted Cruz know the population of Iran?
Others have taken the meat of your post to respond to already, so I'm going to reply with a tangent: who cares?
What utility does knowing Iran's population matter? What relevance is the specific number of Iranians to any American interests? They're a far group whose only relevance is how much they might endanger our investments in the Middle East with their constant terrorism funding and sabber-rattling. There could be ten million, twenty, one hundred, it'd change no calculus.
The population of a minor nation across the sea is trivia. It's not important knowledge, and not knowing it shouldn't be taken as significant. It's like not knowing what Burkina Faso is the capital of.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
Yeah fair enough, it's not the greatest argument
I was mostly playing devil's advocate because I found his line of thinking interesting and kind of a funny way to run an idea out to the extreme end
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
It turns out that it doesn't take a lot of education or healthcare access to drive to Walmart and spend 20 bucks on Plan B.
Yes exactly
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
1d ago
Dude, I know you are a Dread Jim fan, and I think he's actually serious about what he says, but do you realize the world he proposes would be a dystopian nightmare, and not just for women? The guys who seem most attracted to Jim are not trad religious types or pro-civilization vitalists, but incels who long for a world where 13-year-old slave girls will have to pleasure them while they're on their couches playing video games. That's not what would actually happen, and the thing Jim misses is that women are always going to have some agency because we are human beings and the natural state of men and women is to, you know, like each other.
Jim is the flip side of the literal man-hating radical feminists promoting political lesbianism- they start with some (perhaps justified) grievances against the opposite sex, and go down a rabbit hole into a worldview full of misery and the destruction of everything it means to be human.
Every time I see that "Make Women Property Again" essay, I get the same vibe I do from KulakRevolt and his absurd, ahistorical rants making up some mindset about the ancients that they definitely did not have. Even in the most misogynistic cultures in the world, most men don't actually hate women as much as Jim does. To the degree that women were "property," you still saw some actual affection and respect for wives, mothers, and daughters, an affection that Jim and his fanboys seem to think is pussy and gay.
It's not good for you, man.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
Yeah my wording sucked, I was being snarky and pointing out the answer to this question is "it isn't and it failed"
My main point is that it's doubly difficult to analyze how effective various methods could be, given a society that has been pushing for ubiquitous premarital sex for decades.
That's very fair. I'm sure abstinence only sex ed (or other social pressure) would work way better without the sexual liberation movement, etc
I guess I'd also say that kind of supports where I'm going with all this? The cat is out of the bag, society has shifted HARD into embracing pre-maritial non-procreative sex. So any proposal that goes along the lines of "simply undo all that" is pretty unlikely to work.
Maybe we'll have a conservative shift back if Gen Z/Alpha burn out hard on Tinder, idk. But western society has been on a pretty steady clip of "don't tell me what to do" for the past few hundred years, so again, feels unlikely.
Trying to stop single mom's from existing by telling people who aren't moms yet not to fuck is going to result in the exact same number of single moms for at least the next 5-20 years even if the societal shift were vibing about were to happen.
Hadad
1d ago
As politely as I can, "this place is a den of right-wing iniquity" has been a standard cry of more left-leaning posters here since we were still on Reddit, and it's never, not even once, been born out by surveys, group composition, self-professed identities, etc., etc.
People who aren't familiar with the right simply have such a low threshold for right-wing sentiment that any being allowed codes as a flood.
rae
1d ago
I was talking about my own Lived Experienced™ though! Maybe I should have cleared that up more. Oh well.
I think blackpill/manosphere/battle-of-the-sex discussions benefit from queer viewpoints as they can bridge the gaps between the sides so to speak, so I’m happy to give my two cents regardless.
Tenaz
1d ago
I dropped out of college to get a software development job in crypto. I don't have a bachelor's.
I'd love to find a good engineer mentor--everywhere I've worked, I've been the only one doing anything similar to what I do. But so far I haven't been able to pass interviews at the larger crypto companies, which are getting quite competitive, and don't have any lateral connections to take advantage of. So I'm stuck in that regard unless I can figure out something that really makes me stand out.
HereAndGone
1d ago
Alexander and I have broken a lance on each other over this before. He's advocating for abortion not so much as pure eugenics but in a class sense: we don't need or want the underclass to reproduce, and to elevate decent working-class people to the middle class they need to embrace the habits of the middle class, which includes no babies for teenagers, no babies outside marriage, and only a limited number of kids within marriage, preferably but not always after education and establishing a career. He has no objection to "get married at twenty, have kids" as long as it comes with "have a decent job, maybe even both of you, and only have two kids spaced appropriately apart and not immediately after you get married".
He can't or won't understand that for someone who genuinely believes abortion is wrong, that while getting pregnant outside of marriage is bad, it is worse to kill the baby. Better a single mother than a sexually active woman who avoids motherhood by infanticide. To be fair to him, he does think the right should dump the religious conservatives who think abortion is murder and instead start selling the message that you need to be productive, get a job, get married, and have the right number of kids that you bring up with the right values so you aspire to the middle class life and drag yourself up by your bootstraps, and that means shaming girls and women who get pregnant and don't get an abortion.
Tenaz
1d ago
Yeah this is what I was worried about. I don't really like programming--maybe partially because I'm not great at it yet. I enjoy LeetCode but in practice putting things together is just drudgery. It makes me wonder if I should instead go into something which other people find less interesting, but I find equally or more interesting, like law.
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