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Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
22m ago
the lefties celebrating his death
Is there a significant number of those? I mean, of course there must be, polarization and all. Let me rephrase that - are there really many leftists publicly stating that this is a good thing?
Historically the good cop, bad cop approach seems to have had success in some contexts. South Africa had Nelson Mandela preaching peace and tolerance, while his wife cheered on the practice of necklacing alleged informants, and her security detail carried out kidnappings, torture, and murders. There was a less extreme dynamic in the civil rights movement, with MLK positioning himself as the reasonable alternative to violent radicals like the Black Panthers. People mostly want peace and stability, so the idea of compromising with moderates can be appealing given the alternative. Of course that depends on the moderates having a palatable message, and support from elites and the media.
Of course this doesn't always work out and sometimes results in violent suppression of the entire movement, including both the moderate and radical elements. The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka are likely a good example, with the situation evolving from a political campaign, into an insurgency, and finally a full-blown civil war.
Bingbong
25m ago
Yes the unhinged guy was deliberately gathering the literature of opposing parties in order to confuse potential biographers. AFAIK the main thing anybody associated was pro-Life, but not being on board with idpol doesn't necessarily inform the whole political thing.
His justification was that God Emperor Tim Walz called him and told him to take lives in his honor.
FistfullOfCrows
26m ago
Ethan Klein
I can not even begin to describe the level of hatred I have for Ethan Klein, why did the fates decide it was Charlie Kirk's time instead of Ethan Klein.
plural
28m ago
How, specifically?
from the wiki:
Boelter claimed to have military training and a career in private security
His anti-abortion views are considered a possible motive.
Boelter was registered to vote in Oklahoma as a Republican for the 2004 United States presidential election
Boelter's wife told investigators their family "prepared for major or catastrophic incidents"
He's also a white guy that was wearing a cowboy hat in CCTV footage.
These all track right wing to me. There's a ton of confounders to this, yeah, which is why even his affiliation was muddy. But in situations like these affiliation is being used as an assumed motivation most of the time. I don't think that's true but I was just trying to meet Skibboleth halfway to try to maintain decorum since the post was mostly just pure seething.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
34m ago
That's not a celebration.
Bingbong
38m ago
I just think trying to parallel the two is asinine. The whole legislators story barely even lasted in the news since it wasn't compelling enough once they figured out the shooter was more of a crazy person and nobody particularly cared about the victims enough to generate that level of notability.
FistfullOfCrows
38m ago
Could this be a glowie op to create a Conservative/Christian martyr? What for, you might ask. Evangelicals are some of the hardest supporters of Zionism, so if they can get them fired up and optionally convert some more they would get what they wanted and some more wars in the middle east.
ToaKraka
Dislikes you
39m ago
There's apparently a video going around of the attack, but I haven't a desire to see it.
Mildly interesting article from the Associated Press: Graphic video of Kirk shooting was everywhere online, showing how media gatekeeper role has changed (original title "Graphic Charlie Kirk video spread fast, showing media’s fading grip")
Traditional news organizations were cautious in their midafternoon coverage of Charlie Kirk’s assassination Wednesday not to depict the moment he was shot, instead showing video of him tossing a hat to his audience moments before, and panicked onlookers scattering wildly in the moments after.
In practical terms, though, it mattered little. Gory video of the shooting was available almost instantly online, from several angles, in slow-motion and real-time speed. Millions of people watched.
On X, there was a video showing a direct view of Kirk being shot, his body recoiling and blood gushing from a wound. One video was a loop showing the moment of impact in slow-motion, stopping before blood is seen. Another, taken from Kirk’s left, included audio that suggested Kirk was talking about gun violence at the moment he was shot.
For more than 150 years, news organizations like newspapers and television networks have long been accustomed to “gatekeeping” when it comes to explicit content—making editorial decisions around violent events to decide what images and words appear on their platforms for their readers or viewers. But in the fragmented era of social media, smartphones and instant video uploads, editorial decisions by legacy media are less impactful than ever.
Across the country in Ithaca, New York, college professor Sarah Kreps’ teenage sons texted her about Kirk’s assassination shortly after school was dismissed and they could access their phones.
No, she told them. He was shot, but there were no reports that he had died. Her son answered: Have you seen the video? There’s no way he could have survived that.
vorpa-glavo
43m ago
Yeah, saw several Tumblr reactions today, and while it is perfectly predictable, I'm saddened how many people are celebrating political violence against a non-politician on there. There's a lot of people who don't have any sense of decorum, or respect for people with opposing viewpoints.
benmmurphy
45m ago
Kirk bit the bullet and acknowledged his preferred policy option had a drawback and the internet mercilessly bullied him after he was murdered. Almost all policy options have some drawback but a lot of advocates will not acknowledge this and will not try and defend the tradeoff. Policy options that have no tradeoffs are presumably rare because such a policy would be very popular and so presumably would already be implemented. People acknowledging drawbacks is something the rationalist space should be getting behind but it wouldn't surprise me if part of that community were needling Kirk as well.
FistfullOfCrows
48m ago
Can confirm, I never liked the guy, his whole shtick was delivering mild takes and being some one who could soak up the random normies so they don't discover anything more real. I'm really wonder why would anyone want to shoot him specifically, was it a glowie op to escalate tensions? Was it some deranged TDS leftoid who thinks a milquetoast nobody like Charlie Kirk is a real threat. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see if the shooter has a manifesto.
Stefferi
Chief Suomiposter
51m ago
Where was the celebration of it?
A sitting Republican senator initially reacted to it by posting "This is what happens When Marxists don't get their way" and "Nightmare on Waltz street".
FCfromSSC
Nuclear levels of sour
1hr ago
That is in exceptionally poor taste.
People do these things because they believe they will be popular with those around them.
What equipment do you recommend for home brewing?
If you are on a shoe-string budget I recommend investing in a decent grinder - I second the recs in the thread. If you don't mind hand grinders, they can offer a better set of burrs for the price. My friend recently got Fellow Ode 2 and it's pretty good. My setup for pour-over is Comandante C40 hand grinder, Hario V60, Hario filters, Fellow gooseneck kettle. I find V60 to be the least annoying method to brew in the morning.
What are good reasons for taking coffee seriously?
It's fun! If you like conducting experiments and tweaking dials to get some subjectively better results, getting into coffee would be good for you.
How much subjectively experienced variety is there in terms of bean types?
A lot, but you'd have to buy from your local roasters or specialty coffee shops. Most of the stuff you can get at a grocery store is roasted way too dark and this is why most people think coffee === bitter. At your local roaster the dark roast is very likely going to be lighter than medium-light you can buy at a grocery store.
So if we are thinking about specialty coffee beans, there's a lot of variety. Start experimenting and comparing. Get beans from different countries, get beans that are processed differently (washed/natural/honey), get different bean varieties. My current favourite beans are medium-roasted Brazil.
ThenElection
1hr ago
Politicians gonna politic. I know what's in Newsom's soul--a gaping abyss--but if he at least pivots to mouthing the right words, I'm happy.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
1hr ago
IMO the point is valid: Both sides are perfectly capable of ignoring or quickly forgetting about political violence that hits the other side. But they do remember when their own side is hit.
Browser
1hr ago
The guy's motivations were all over the place and the footprint of the legislators was comparatively tiny. Trying to equivocate that to this public shooting is just insane gotchaism
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
1hr ago
I agree that forcefully relocating people is unlikely to end well. The secret sauce is voluntary immigration.
Poor phrasing on my part. I didn't mean to imply forced relocation. I was talking entirely about voluntary migration, with at most the usual push and pull factors at work. I don't really see migration as it happens nowadays as the deliberate action of an individual acting on a well-thought out plan (though yes, there surely are some such), but mostly as people who failed to make a life for themselves taking the easy way out and riding on giant preexisting streams of migrants.
Immigrants are self-selected for motivation, risk-taking, ambition, intelligence, and willingness to assimilate.
That is a hilariously naive view. Yes, there surely are some such, but we live in an age not of singular individuals or families packing up to politely request a shot at becoming Westerners, but millions of people quite literally swarming borders to become undocumented residents or asylum fraudsters, mostly in such societies that offer the most no-strings-attached public welfare.
but immigrants to america lose everything except a surface veneer of their homeland within three generations, tops.
America isn't the only country that sees immigrants. And quantity matters - one immigrant among a million natives gets assimilated, sure. Throw a boatload of immigrants at a village and leave it at that, and they might get assimilated, okay, but the nature of the village will change in the process - cohesion will be lost, trust will decrease. Put twenty million immigrants next to sixty million Germans and the former don't need to adapt worth a damn. They form their enclaves, their ghettoes, their parallel societies, and given enough weight and time can and, as happens, actually will end up assimilating the natives.
Skibboleth
It's never 4D Chess
1hr ago
The guy also had a bunch of "no kings" anti-trump fliers
Which do you think is more likely: that this guy who was specifically targeting Democrats was also carrying fliers for a normie resist-lib protest because after he finished up murdering his way through the MN state legislature he was going to pass out some literature? Or that this guy with a history of right-wing views (pro-life, anti-trans, evangelical, etc...) was trying to throw people off the scent?
Boelter was not just an unhinged guy (he is also an unhinged guy, but that's just table stakes) who intended to pull the trigger and see what happened. Even if he didn't expect to get away with it, he clearly planned to.
TitaniumButterfly
1hr ago
Yeah, the FBI department that deals with this is gonna be working overtime for a while.
TitaniumButterfly
1hr ago
Grok cleared both those posts as lucid and even handed before I posted them
Am I getting old? Because... I don't even know how to explain to you what I find so wrong here. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I feel old.
Tretiak
1hr ago
If people are asking Charlie Kirk of all people to defend them, they've got problems much more fundamental than that. Charlie Kirk was good for the establishment right. He wasn't good for philosophical conservatism. He was a polished product marketed to people, in the same way Ben Shapiro was the "cool kid's philosopher."
GBRK
1hr ago
Just dragging individuals out of one society to drop them into another
I agree that forcefully relocating people is unlikely to end well. The secret sauce is voluntary immigration. Immigrants are self-selected for motivation, risk-taking, ambition, intelligence, and willingness to assimilate. It's not a hard rule, I admit, but it holds extremely often. Isolated ethnic communities often manage to maintain a separate language and culture from their parent state for literally thousands of years (looking at you, Basque country)-- but immigrants to america lose everything except a surface veneer of their homeland within three generations, tops.
You're right, I misread the Marxist comment.
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