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Hoffmeister25
American Bukelismo Enthusiast
11hr ago
When I was a kid in that actual era, I listened to a ton of music from the 80’s and 90’s, as well as contemporary music. I think that’s extremely normal and doesn’t say much about the quality of current music.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
11hr ago
(And here I thought I was a doomer)
This is a plausible scenario. It isn't necessarily the only way this could play out (did I ever mention we could all die?).
Most industrial societies today are willing to spend resources for the upkeep and care of the economically unproductive, or even those who are outright deadweights. The disabled, the very elderly, the mentally ill. We expect just about nothing back from them. (There are political concerns, but even so, the majority opinion is definitely not mandatory euthanasia, it certainly wouldn't poll well).
I have, in the past, explained at length that the expense of keeping every single human alive today in absolute luxury is negligible to a post-scarcity society like the ones full industrial automation and ASI can produce. A Kardashev 1 has about a thousand times our present energy budget, all 8 billion humans could live like kings.
If there is any altruistic impulse in those that hold the reins, then it really isn't a meaningful fraction of the light cone to keep at least us chumps happy. Doesn't mean they have to make us peers, or true equals, in the same manner the Saudi King doesn't hand out his own allowance to goat-herds. Such a life, well, I'd take it any day over what we have going right now, even if it's not optimal.
Maybe Bezos, Musk and Altman are bickering over galaxies or super-clusters. I'd be content enough with one of the hundred billion star systems in the Milky Way. I'd settle for a planet. That really isn't much.
Besides, a future of utter disempowerment or death isn't set in stone. We're literally building the machines today, it's not too late to make sure that they're programmed in a way that beats this very low bar.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
11hr ago
Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance, Panic and Avril
Your daughter has fantastic taste in music, but it’s a bit interesting that kids today are still listening to the bands of the previous generation, no?
Maybe there’s something to that whole “death of culture / cultural stasis” idea.
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
Not a great question considering free association rights are essentially a form of free speech rights. At least that's how we've traditionally viewed it in the US
As the Court noted in Roberts, the choice to associate and "maintain certain intimate human relationships" is "a fundamental element of personal liberty." These associations play a "central role" in the constitutional scheme and in "safeguarding individual freedom." Therefore, they receive protection against "undue intrusion" by the government.
The right to associate is more than just a right to attend a meeting. Instead, it is "the right to express one’s attitudes or philosophies by membership in a group or by affiliation with it or by other lawful means." (Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)). The Supreme Court has stated that association in this context is a "form of expression of opinion."
FiveHourMarathon
Wawa Nationalist
11hr ago
Every Fascist movement/government was a little different, "Fascism" as such didn't necessarily have the ideological consistency that the Communism of the time did.
I return over and over to the myth of the Golem when thinking about the rise of Fascism in Germany and elsewhere. Traditional and Capitalist elites saw Hitler as a necessary counter to the threat of Communism, only to see Hitler grow too powerful and start threatening the aristocrats and capital who empowered him.
Equally, Hitler was empowered by continued Communist agitation and the refusal of Communist parties to ally with conservatives to stop Hitler, as part of Stalin's foreign policy choices, on the theory that the capitalist powers would exhaust themselves in war; they would live to see Hitler turn on the Soviets to disastrous effect.
Hitler had a lot of sometime allies on his way up, and a lot of them lived to regret it.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
11hr ago
I hate you guys so much
Love you too
From falling for bipolar gf's to becoming one... I guess they really were right about staring into the abyss, huh?
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
11hr ago
Agreed. It's difficult to predict the long-term stability of such systems, when I speak of a multipolar AI regime, I'm most concerned with the short term, or at least the period when they might kill humans. I'm sure they'll either gobble each other up or figure out some kind of merger with a values-handshake eventually.
In my homebrew sci-fi scenario
As someone who writes his own hard scifi novel that involves ASI, I feel your pain. There is no realistic way to depict such a setting where normal humans have any degree of real control, or much in the way of stakes (where humans make a difference).
Your approach isn't bad. If I had to make a suggestion:
JarJarJedi
11hr ago
Yes, PA is not a full state, because any solution that was designed to get them to full state and permanent resolution of the conflict has been thoroughly and consistently rejected by the Palestinians. And when Gaza was made an experiment in de-facto evolving towards full self-rule without a formal agreement, what Israel got as the result is October 7. There's absolutely no desire in Palestinian politics to reach any permanent solution that involves Israel existing in peace. Given that, any additional sovereignty level that Israel allows would only lead to more casualties on Israel's side. Gaza demonstrated it (and continues to demonstrate, with Hamas' thorough rejection of any arrangement that requires Hamas to give up on killing Israelis) very convincingly, and demanding from Israel to be more suicidal than it already is does not sound like a fair demand.
self_made_human
Grippy socks, grippy box
11hr ago
Help mommy, the weebs are grooming me :o
(Love you too)
2D3D
11hr ago
And the Jews lived in Jerusalem before per the Roman record, till they were displaced by invaders later on. Guess its a new invader now, or are we going "no take backsies". In which case India better return Dehli to Islamabad per the Mughal Empire.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
11hr ago
My mid-teens daughter collects shirts from bands like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance, Panic and Avril, then mutilates them into exposing her midriff and a shoulder. She periodically threatens to revert to her emo phase.
And my paternal instinct is to make a vague threat over the eye-fucking, but my grounds are uncomfortably shakey. I took her to a concert a while back, and while I think I kept my gaze pretty respectful, I was very aware that the actual women (more early 20's than late teens, but still) in the venue were aesthetically delightful. There's something about watching a young woman dressed in the alt style of his youth snarl to her friends that "It's time for BeatDown Slut Metal!" that inspires a man to want to make ruinous decisions. Would that I were 25 again.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
11hr ago
Oh yeah for sure, anyone who identifies as a Rationalist in the LW sense or has an affinity for that style of thinking is basically an INTJ or INTP by definition.
WhiningCoil
Ghost of Quokka's Future
11hr ago
I was always shocked when I'd goto Boston in March/April, and coming back from a convention at 1 am we'd pass gaggles of scantily clad women without jackets outside some club while we hustle past in thick winter jackets. Some hoes are just a different breed.
Primaprimaprima
...something all admit only "TRUMP", and the Trump Administration, can do.
11hr ago
This is a really big area that I’m largely ignorant of. Here’s an overview of the historical development of the Big Five model with copious citations, particularly with reference to studies on cross-cultural validation of the Big Five categories.
I note that the paper notes that, methodologically, research into the Big Five “originated in studies of natural language trait terms […] For the layperson, personality is defined by such terms as friendly, high-strung, and punctual. These are the basic ways in which individuals understand themselves and others”. I sense an effortpost in the future on the relationship between ordinary language philosophy and this approach to psychology.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
11hr ago
Hamas surrendering will not happen, but even if it did, it wouldn't stop the fighting. If you could magically get the Hamas leadership to surrender, they'd either be murdered by their underlings or, after declaring they surrendered, a new organization would spring up to fight Israel. Gaza is not a case of a peace-desiring or indifferent population being dragged into war by their leadership; it's a case of a war-loving population having the leaders they want.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
11hr ago
We have some degree of redistribution in most countries today, for people who for noble or ignoble reasons, can't work on the free market. Eventually, that will be everyone.
We have redistribution because we still need humans to do the work. The reason we give the guy working the counter at McDonald’s benefits is not because we care about him. We still need his labor thus it’s to our. Collective Benefit that he be fed and housed. In a future where other than owning an AI run factory, there’s no benefit to keeping humans around, it’s not going to happen. Ask the horses. Once automobiles became good enough and cheap enough to replace horses as personal transportation, we didn’t put all horses on the horse-UBI, we stopped breeding them and the population of horses fell precipitately. Now, the much lower number of horses that remain are mostly kept as pets who occasionally do work. The population might be a tenth and probably a lot less of what it was back when everyone had a horse to ride. I expect the same of humans outside of the elite circles — some form of enforced birth control and unless someone wants a pet human as a personal servant for LARPing Downton Abbey purposes, Theres just no need for 90% or more of the human population.
RandomRanger
Just build nuclear plants!
11hr ago
I'd bet that INTP and INTJ is 5-10x overrepresented on this forum compared to the general population. I'm INTJ personally.
The_Nybbler
In the game of roller derby, women aren't just the opposing team; they're the ball.
11hr ago
The path is "two-state solution" -> "Palestine attacks Israel". This probably just leads right back to where we are now, with Israel and occupied territories, but given sufficient international pressure and a foolish enough Israeli government, it could lead to a land-for-peace deal moving the borders in a manner favorable to the Palestinians.
But the trial judge rejects this argument, and the appeals panel affirms.
I've said this before, but judges see a victim who needs compensation and look around for the nearest involved party with money. They then uses legalese as a backwards rationalisation for the award.
In this case the judge probably realised that neither party likely could afford to pay the 3 million alone, so decided to split it over the two of them.
Southkraut
The rain fell gentlier.
12hr ago
The possibility space is large:
- A monopolar scenario, where the AI is malevolent. We all die.
- Multipolar regime of competing AI that are all misaligned. We almost certainly die.
- Monopolar hegemonizing AI that is controlled by human(s), but said humans aren't particularly concerned with the rest of us. We may or may not die, but I wouldn't be happy.
- Everything in between
- (Everything outside)
It's not as large as it looks. 2. can collapse into 1. when one AI outcompetes all others (And unless there is some natural constraint on how monopolar the AI-dominated world can get. More on that later.(*)). 3. can flip into 1. when the AI dis-aligns itself eventually because it's just better off without humans, or into 2. when the human controllers end up in conflict, or into 2. when an independent AI or AI+human power rises up that's better-optimized. 4., being between the other three states, can mutate into any of them. 5., until you specify what's in there, doesn't exist.
And so in the end, the only one of those scenarios that's stable and unable to devolve into any other...is 1. A global minimum, if you will.
(*)
Stellula
12hr ago
The reason that this is mocksble is that the leftist fantasy is mostly: everybody else will work for me and I can do nothing, and the rightist fantasy is: I will be able to do as much work as I want to.
Yes stupidity exists inside of both of these, but they’re not equivalents.
“I will be a warlord” is a very different type of fantasy than “I will be a poet”. Both fantasies, both silly, but silly in different ways.
problem_redditor
12hr ago
Market socialists love to say this, but it's wrong. No amount of increase in compute power can solve the Economic Calculation Problem, because it's not inherently about compute power but about how computers can't read minds.
The economic calculation problem is worse than even that. It's not just that a planner cannot properly figure out how much of each good to produce without price information (though I have had communist-sympathetic individuals unironically tell me that the solution might just be to conduct a whole lot of opinion polling, I am not kidding), it's also that a planner cannot estimate the most efficient method of production for any given good since there is no meaningful measure of profit under a centrally planned economy. As Mises puts it:
"The director wants to build a house. Now there are many methods that can be resorted to. Each of them offers, from the point of view of the director, certain advantages and disadvantages with regard to the utilization of future building, and results in a different duration of the building’s serviceableness; each of them requires other expenditures of building materials and labor and absorbs other periods of production. Which method should the director choose? He cannot reduce to a common denominator the items of various materials and various kinds of labor to be expended. Therefore he cannot compare them. He cannot attack either to the waiting time (period of production) or to the duration of serviceableness, a definite numerical expression. In short, he cannot, in comparing costs to be expended and gains to be earned, resort to any arithmetical operation. The plans of his architects enumerate a vast multiplicity of various items in kind: they refer to the physical and chemical qualities of various items in kind; they refer to the physical productivity of various machines, tools, and procedures. But all their statements remain unrelated to each other. There is no means of establishing any connection between them."
This is damning, since even if the mind of a planner were miraculously endowed with complete and accurate knowledge of the quantities and qualities of the available factors of production, of the latest techniques for combining and transforming these factors into consumer goods, and of the set of all individuals’ value rankings of consumer goods, the economic calculation problem still exists. Without market prices that could be used to determine the profitability of a project, one would still be unable to determine if a given plan for production of goods was optimal, and in fact would never be able to assess that even if the plan was horrifically and destructively uneconomic.
IGI-111
God was a dream of good government.
12hr ago
Well
We only have his side of the story for the claim so we don't even know if we was fired over the video to begin with
Ok so you're an employer and you see an employee of yours on the internet in front of millions saying things that you view as disgusting and horrible and that you don't want in your business. Are you only allowed to fire them if they mention your company during it?
I never said that, but yes from the perspective of the business owner they do lose some rights from anti discrimination laws. That is just a fact.
Which ones we find as acceptable is a different discussion and if you believe that should extend to anything a person says outside of work (or maybe even things they do inside of work) then that's a coherent viewpoint, but we can acknowledge that this definitely takes away more rights from the business owner.
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