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magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
3d ago
I mean, there's that point up in the thread OP:
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
There are cases where one can actually pull the "yes, ALL OF THEM" card and make it stick, and those are all right AFAIK assuming the logic's either laid out or obvious. Like, for instance, "all serial killers are hostis humani generis"; a serial killer is someone who kills people for no reason other than liking killing people, and that really does create a fundamental conflict between a serial killer and any society he belongs to. It's just, most sweeping generalisations that get said are exaggerations, and exaggerations about people are high-heat-low-light because their translation matrices are not the identity matrix (causing confusion) and because people really hate false negative claims about themselves (causing flared tempers).
Or in less words, it's to avoid dishonest debating and the usual result of such i.e. degeneration into a poo-flinging contest.
kky
3d ago
Gerrymandering as a term dates to 1812. Some gerrymanders are more egregious than others, but the practice is very hard to expunge. It’s also limited by the fact that the canvas these districts are painted on, and the political parties themselves, are ever-shifting. A gerrymander can only ever be a temporary success. If a party gets too strong, and too unrepresentative, people will successfully organize to take it down a notch. That’s how it’s always been.
I’d relax about this particular problem. Unless your specific qualm is that you’re a Democrat in Texas and are worried about being disenfranchised. In that case I fully understand your concern and would recommend you view it as a personal issue (and move states) or a local issue (and organize with state Democrats to undermine Republican rule by adopting a more Texan-palatable local platform). I wouldn’t think of this as the end of Democracy in America. It’s just the usual political grift. Unpleasant but sustainable.
WandererintheWilderness
3d ago
I should hate the tiger that is trying to eat me
…Wait, what? Why? Feeling hatred for a non-sapient animal seems bizarre to me. Never mind whether it's ever good to feel hatred even about fellow human beings - I find your example baffling on its own terms. You may as well hate a thunderstorm when it threatens your town, or rage against the concept of gravity as you're falling off a bridge. Like… you can hate any one of those things if you really want, I guess. By definition it's not like they're going to mind. But it seems deeply pointless, bordering on maladaptive. I certainly don't see why you "should" hate the tiger, whether that's a moral argument of a practical one. If it's a moral one, what has the tiger done to 'deserve' hatred that the concept of gravity has not? If it's a practical one, what does hating the tiger accomplish that is not better accomplished, and in less stressful a way for you, by dispassionately, rationally accounting for the tiger's behavior, or indeed, by simply being afraid of the tiger?
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
3d ago
Norms only matter insofar as they're supported by a belief in a level playing field. Outside of boomers and some nothing-ever-happens centrists, both left and right seem to believe that the other side is an existential threat that cannot be stopped within the boundaries of our current norms, and so the shredding will continue at an increasing speed. At this point, all democratic norms should be considered pre-shredded, they are in a stack next to the shredder waiting their turn. The only reason they have not yet all been shredded is that the shredder operator works with an urgency that is proportional to the amount of political unrest in the U.S., which is currently only at a moderate simmer.
There's no reversing this until either both sides believe the other is acting in good faith, or (IMO) more likely the losing side is shut out from power and the winning side splits into two factions with enough political common ground to trust one another to uphold a new set of norms.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
3d ago
Okay, but I was not talking about him, I was talking about Sigal Chattah.
MaximumCuddles
The world-spirit texting on the toilet
3d ago
You’re interpretation is the correct one, which I thought was rather obvious. It was a paraphrase of an earlier comment I made about a similar subject;
There comes a point when a house is so pockmarked with termites and water damage that the only sensible solution is the wrecking ball.
Are there some sections still good and salvageable? Yes. Could you theoretically save sections of the house? Yes but the time and effort needed makes the opportunity cost too high.
Or to put it in more bloody terms it’s like Iwo Jima; eventually you just learn to throw grenades in every cave and light fires at every entrance. Sometimes there’s enemies there and sometimes not. There may or may not be scant civilians clinging to life in the caves.
The rational conclusion is to not care, and go forward in a workmanlike manner and get it done, and quickly. Delays only serve to weaken you.
Which is why I found this ban to be particularly annoying even if it was so brief.
But I’m a bit surprised that it’s against the rules to say something to the effect of it being rational to consider an entire institution including every single member a target. That’s not what I was saying exactly but that’s a perfectly legitimate point of view.
YE_GUILTY
3d ago
"After an incident involving an undersea nuclear test, Forrest and Dan turn out to be the only shrimpers catching non-radioactive shrimp..."
Ponder
3d ago
I don't know how to dance
The neat thing about the rave scene is you can do flow arts instead. Usually, you can find a few people that just enjoy watching and complimenting you even if you are beginner. It also gives you a reason to talk to the other flow artists to ask how you can get better.
brought a polaroid camera
Another thing that might work well in the rave scene is to make friendship bracelets (referred to as kandi in the rave scene). Put words/jokes on them and then you can give them to people who look like they would vibe with the bracelet.
I don't really know how to flirt
This is where being in a slightly altered state can help. It helps your intuition take over even though you can’t logically think it through. I like to use Phenibut (but only up to once a week and never mix it with other CNS depressants). Micro (or a very light dose) of psychedelics might work if it doesn’t make you anxious.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
3d ago
Which doesn’t matter at all because we basically never lived in a true democracy. I’m just kind of tired of the elite playing games as if they’re actually worried about the votes of the plebs.
birb_cromble
3d ago
Wonderful. Another norm for the shredder.
I'm not sure if that norm wasn't shredded years ago. I've been hearing complaints of gerrymandering since at least Bush II, and that's only because I wasn't really paying attention before that.
In your opinion, what makes this qualitatively different than past instances of gerrymandering?
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
3d ago
Not an Israeli government official.
I was talking about the Israeli government official involved in the case - Tom Artiom Alexandrovich (who has such a slavic name I would not be surprised if he was the descendant of one of the ethnic Russians who snuck in rather than an actual jew). The claim I believed I was making (my apologies if I was unclear) was that people who work directly under Netanyahu in the Israeli government are all zionists, not that all jews are zionists.
Sure. Names will be withheld to protect the guilty innocent, but yes.
No_one
3d ago
One of those guys..
I've heard good things about the books but every time I opened one in bookshop /online & an excerpt it looked illgical/ silly liberal/commie/green idiot stuff so I never read any of it. I like near future SF but pious liberals at least need to make some sense (e.g. C.Stross)
For the sake of argument:
Dude with an IQ of 130. Girl with an IQ of 90. Her parents and sibling are roughly 130.
The heritability of IQ is between 0.5-0.8. Let's run with 0.6.
Mid parental IQ is 110.
Deviation from population mean: 110 - 100 = 10 With heritability of 0.6: Expected deviation = 10 * 0.6 = 6
Expected IQ = 100+6 = 106
My understanding is that this would have an SD of about 10-15 points.
If the girl too had an IQ of 130, the expected value would be 118, which is a big jump.
I'm not quite sure how to account for the fact that in the 90 IQ scenario, the girl is more likely to have environmental contributors that lower IQ rather than genetic issues. I'm not Cremieux. All else being equal, 12 IQ points is a big deal! I'd pay a lot to have my kids come out with an additional 12 points. I would fistfight a dog smaller than a labrador for a mere five.
Why not 'neither is quality?'
The question of a reason is neither answered or addressed by pointing to a boo group. Even if we were to agree that the boo group is not [good quality], it does not imply that the alternative is thus [good quality]. They can both be [bad quality].
I also gave you the elaboration paragraph, which you did and still ignore.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
The way Texas politics works if this was going to be stopped it would've been stopped in the house.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
I keep rooting for a nuclear salt water rocket. In space no one can hear your environmental impact statement.
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
3d ago
Normie liberals don't tend to talk a lot about politics, especially not in public. Most of them are hanging out under real names, and their social circles include social justice warriors willing to cut them off for heresy. They're afraid to get thrown out into the Wilderness if they speak their minds.
(I'm legitimately unsure if @WandererintheWilderness's username references that article, because yeah, theMotte as a community has been cast out into the Wilderness even if doesn't fully have the "Wilderness nature".)
I don't think her lack of virginity was an issue, he wasn't quite that hypocritical. She'd told him about her previous partners (but probably not me). That was her worrying about the potential next guy.
Even in India?
India is a big country!
We have:
- Extremely conservative rural enclaves where premarital sex might get you disowned, or in the worst case, killed. Leans poor.
- More moderate areas, where people are allowed to date in college or after, but with the clear expectation that such dating is serious. You meet a good boyfriend/girlfriend in college, get engaged after graduation, and marry afterwards. If you don't, no shame in that, arranged marriages are the default. Maybe 300-500 million people might count.
- The liberal elite or UMC. The part I, and this girl, live in. Norms around sex aren't quite as liberal as in the West, at least for women. Nobody would really care that I have a double digit number of partners. For a woman? That's a big deal, and something to hide or deny. You are allowed or expected to have a few partners in college, uni or after. Your parents would be very happy if you were serious about it, but they're mostly accommodating. If you make it to your late 20s without that happening, arranged marriages are the BATNA. Nobody will look down on you for having one, but they might think that you just couldn't hack it. Perhaps a hundred million, maybe two hundred million.
- This is a spectrum, of course. On one end, I know people who know people who are in swinger clubs. That is very much not normal, and would be broadly condemned if news got out. I won't even go into the finer details of North vs South, East vs West, or the norms in big cities versus podunk nowhere.
In our semi-shared social milieu, her behavior is excusable, even if it's a negative. People aspire to have a virginal, unblemished wife, but usually cave in and settle for something more realistic. However, she's an ethnic Punjabi, and they're usually rather hypocritical (more than most) when it comes to this. Men are encouraged to sow their wild oats, their moms might tut, but won't do anything. Women? Uh..
She's had maybe 3-5 sexual partners, and most of that happened during longterm relationships. It's not that big a deal to a liberal man, but his family might raise objections. My dad called me later that day, and I told him the whole story to general merriment. I also, half-jokingly, asked if he'd be okay with me marrying her, to which he replied that he hoped I could do better than "second hand goods".
You can see my reply to sun_the_second for a more exhaustive take on why she's right to be concerned. If it weren't for her other issues, I personally couldn't care less about it.
RoyGBivensAction
Zensunni Scientologist
3d ago
Because the legislature refused to do it and voters pushed it through via the ballot measure.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
Texas BBQ, country music, craft beer are all Having A Moment and all are very German influenced.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
Normiecons do not think every Quantavius and Latisha is evil. They think that they are mostly decent people shaped by a bad culture(which was ruined by liberals because they hate families). 'The good ones' are doing their part to fix that- by assimilating into the red tribe and hopefully leading their fellows to do the same.
C'mon, these community activists aren't doing shit to benefit the average Shaniqua and Tyrone either, don't be stupid. The main difference is that the red tribe is just willing to openly point to 'bad culture' as a major part of their bad circumstances whereas blues only hint at it and use euphemisms.
Yeah it's a problem as old as the republic and has a buncha good to go with the bad - making a minority district so the minority actually gets a representative instead of just getting diluted is a good thing. Or a bad thing?
...It's deeply complicated.
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