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How about a different kind of AI culture war? I speak of course of non-consensual pornography generation. The most outrageous article I read about this recently was probably this AP article: Boys at her school shared AI-generated, nude images of her. After a fight, she was the one expelled. The girl in question is 13 and she started a fight on a school bus with one of the boys later charged with a crime for sharing the images.
It turns out that finding apps that advertise this kind of functionality is not hard. In fact, part of the reason I bring this up is it seems this capability is integrated into one of the largest AIs: Grok. There's been some controversy on X over the last couple days after Grok allegedly generated pornographic images of a couple minor girls. Additionally the bot's "media" tab was disabled, allegedly due to the discovery lots of people were using the bot to make pornographic edits of other people's pictures. Though the media tab is gone I did not find it very hard to get Grok to link me its own posts with these kinds of edits.
There is, I think understandably, a lot of controversy going around about this. It's not that it was previously impossible to make this kind of content but the fidelity and availability was much more limited and certainly required more technical skill. Being something you can do without even leaving your favorite social media app seems like something of a game changer.
Frankly I am unsure where to go with this as a policy matter. Should someone be liable for this? Criminal or civil? Who? Just the generating user? The tool that does the generating? As a general matter I have some intuitions about AI conduct being tortious but difficulty locating who should be liable.
If someone did this to my daughter I'd slap the shit out of them. I'd also be proud of my daughter for taking the matter into her own hands and beating the shit out of them.
Conversely, if my son did this I would hope he'd get his ass kicked by the girl and if her father came looking for him I would say I understand bro have at him just don't send him to the hospital.
I think I'm expressing majority feelings about this. Surely we can form rules around this accordingly.
Are you hardcore no-fap? Not that I think the dissemination and whatever other social stuff around this is outstanding, but obtaining nudes of cute girls in your high school would have been considered a high accomplishment for high school boys as long as high school and photos have existed.
Like with all porn the AI nudes are a little queer. Its much higher status and much better behavior to seduce her in real life, but some edits to an already existing thirst-trap image is hardly something you should let your son be beat over. I'd suggest the more appropriate action is the girl is removed from any ability to be online and the boy has to agree to supervised courtship if the girl's father so demands.
That at least requires the boy to make some effort at seducing the girl into sending him nudes of her. This was an idiot using AI to paste her features onto a nude photo, and hand it around claiming it was of her, so the other idiot boys could laugh at it and mock her. She's 13, she did not consent to any of this.
God's sake, we have enough posters on here criticising women for riding the cock carousel, sleeping with Chads, wanting to cuckold the betas who simp for them with alphas, and the rest of the poisonous discourse. Do you really think nude images of a 13 year old girl are anything but "bitch whore, even at that young they're at it" material? Do you think the teenage boys are being respectful and admiring of empowered sexual equality here?
This is why porn is dangerous; it creates such expectations in society, then normalises them, so 13 year old boys are now faking nudes of 13 year old girls for sexual gratification. And not a stranger or any random 13 year old, someone they know. Someone who will get the reputation among her peers of being easy, a whore, all the negatives that the "coerce women to have sex with men they don't want" posters on here like to throw at women. Creating expectations that she'll agree to sexual activity of some kind with random boys, because hey I've already seen your nudes.
We already saw this shit in the Loudon County case of the girl sexually assaulted by the trans girl/boy in the school bathroom: oh, they used to sneak off to the bathroom and fool around before, so this time so what if she changed her mind and he tried to/did rape her? She agreed by being intimate with him in previous situations, so really it's all her fault.
And this child didn't even agree to any of this, and they are not real images of her, but she is going to get the blame all the same.
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Did you read the story? It was not a thirst trap, it was AI generated. She did not consent to this. If a girl sends nudes to a guy and he starts spreading them around, he's a jerk, but she made her own bed and she has to lie in it. With AI you can make convincing edits of literally anyone. Any picture of your face can be swapped onto a fake body. Any full body image of you can be nudified with realistic seeming body proportions. Even if you've never been online a day in your life a school photo in the yearbook or even just a quick cellphone pic someone takes of you without your knowledge or consent, and there you go.
This isn't sluts getting slut-shamed: as far as we know this is a completely innocent and pure 13 year old girl who was victimized through absolutely no fault of her own. Her only crime was existing as a 13 year old girl, and the only thing she possibly could have done to avoid this is to live in a bubble where nobody can see her face, or disfigure herself so horribly that nobody would want AI nudes with her deformed face on them. We're talking beyond Islamic levels of repression, since even a burka would reveal enough of her face to enable this.
This here is the big, giant, difference between male and female attitudes to sex. Guys are all "what's the big deal over some nudes, hey if someone was showing hot nudes of me around I wouldn't care, it's a compliment" and so on. There just is not the same feeling of violation. I see the same thing with regard to stories of boys being sexually abused by older women: "what's the big deal? hey if some hot teacher wanted to fuck me when I was 14 I would have been delighted! it's free sex! this is great!"
And this is part of the entire problem around 'nobody is dating/having sex/getting married'. Why don't women date men? Well, because they don't want to date the 100s of guys who message them. But why don't they? Because women can do without sex more than men, seemingly, can do without it. When women do engage in sex with the same lack of emotional attachment as men, then they get criticised for being whores. Men want sex because of higher libido, and will be happy to just fuck anyone reasonably acceptable, and so can't understand why women would be upset about such images. "But it's not really you, so what does it matter?"
It matters because you'll be the same guy posting on here about women needing to be controlled by their fathers and husbands, because giving women free exercise of choice in romance and sex means they just scatter nudes of themselves around to any stranger who wants them, look at this case of a 13 year old girl sending nudes to her boyfriend without any self-respect or modesty, she'll be sleeping around if not stopped in time.
Are they normally the same people? It seems to be in this case, but that's what's confusing me. Because normally I think it's the "hypocrisy" of different people who believe similar things for opposite reasons.
The liberal, sex positive, man says "no big deal, free sex is great, everyone likes sluts". The conservative, sex negative, man says "women shouldn't sleep around, nobody likes a slut". In most cases of a woman fucking around and finding out, both say "stop complaining, you did this to yourself." If you just read a bunch of comments by people criticizing slutty women you might think they're massive hypocrites, but if half the people believe on thing and half believe the other and they're literally different people then each one can have an entirely consistent worldview internally and just present a united front on this one particular issue. This happens all the time on different issues. I constantly see people who have superficially similar external opinions to me with stupid garbage reasoning underlying them.
But it seems to me like in the AI case that shouldn't happen, and the various sides should strongly disagree, because the woman didn't do this to herself so the conservative wouldn't assign any blame. Any assertions that this could be fixed by a man (father or husband) controlling her and her deferring to his authority make absolutely no sense because that wouldn't have stopped this either. If you think women sharing nudes is bad and want to disincentivize the behavior then it makes no sense to punish someone who didn't engage in this behavior with the same treatment as someone who did. That's not how incentives work.
It's exactly the sort of thoughtless pattern matching I would expect to see from a normie who just parrots party lines, not here on the Motte.
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I mean, I wouldn't be happy if nude pictures of me were being widely disseminated.
The recipients wouldn't be happy if nude pictures of me were being widely disseminated. Ugly privilege!
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Uh huh. Although it is possible you are so badass as to slap some teenage boy—in recent years, men who are likely wealthier and more powerful than you have suffered larger offenses against their daughters and did fuck all.
One example would be a GS executive who had a daughter (Mayli Wang) deep tonguing ass and getting Facial Abused for but three figures a pop. He spent his last few years buying rights to her content to try and disappear it all, but then he died. One might argue that by dying early, he got away easy compared to someone like Laurence Fishburne.
It really isn't that hard to find news stories about dads beating up their daughter's boyfriends for perceived transgressions.
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It has nothing to do with being a badass. I have no choice in the matter. It's just something I would have to do.
Anyway, I'm not surprised to hear some people don't think family comes first, but I still think the feeling to excuse someone defending their daughter's honor is fairly universal.
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Yeah its a pretty agreeable resolution to use short, sharp corporal punishment as a deterrent for antisocial behavior.
Good luck getting anyone to agree about what to do with your daughter if she were to start sending actual nudes around the school to a bunch of guys, though.
Bravado tends to fail, there.
I think turning g-rated photos into AI porn is so completely different than voluntary actual nudes pics I'm surprised so many are mentioning that in their replies.
I can only assume people are wildly misunderstanding what actually happened, though it seems to me the OP explains it quite clearly. There seems to be a lot of projecting of people's vaguely similar hobby horses going on.
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The Western agreement would be to track down and punish the guys if they did anything other than preemptively deleting the nudes before they hit their phones.
Western men are generally unable or unwilling to thot-patrol their daughters, but sometimes they’ll try to get the state to ruin the lives of random guys who neglected to help maintain their daughters’ Wonderfulness.
Thanks, Sloot, for defending the rights of paedophiles everywhere to mock up nudes of underage girls because hey, it's the bitch's fault for letting herself be photographed in the first place, if she knew her place and didn't let her face be photographed then it would never have happened.
The girl took action to defend her reputation and got punished for it. How is that an example of Wonderfulness?
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