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Update on the Dundee axe wielding girl incident:

It appears a man and woman have been recently charged following the incident. (Additional BBC confirmation here)

And today, Thursday, September 4, 2025, the force said that the decision had been taken to charge a man and a woman in connection with the events of the day in question - Saturday, August 23, 2025.

Prior discussion in the Culture War thread can be found here.

We still do not know about who the actual people charged are and if they are the actual Bulgarian couple or the girl's parents. The new articles provide few details except for a statement that the public should not speculate or share misinformation.

I'm surprised I didn't see this blow up in the media, but I can imagine certain news agencies feel rather sheepish. I myself thought that the girl was undertaking 'Ned' delinquent behavior after the interview with the Bulgarian man in the Daily Mail, but this new development adds credence to the theory (X Link) that the Bulgarian woman dragged the girl's sister to the ground requiring her hospitalisation for a concussion prior to axe girl leaving to retrieve her weapons.

There's been unconfirmed (like everything else in this story) reports that Police Scotland will make another statement about the incident in the coming days.

Are server costs really ~$3750 a month?

I think you would very definitively lose that bet. Fig 4A has the cross tab for women.

You're looking at this through a narrow partisan lens and I don't think that helps you. The NYT doesn't have to be completely aligned with the Biden administration for rokmonster's point to stand true, and certainly not for Dean's point to be true, either.

I think the general point is that the NYT holds the special privilege of receiving exclusive government leaks, and distributing them as they see fit in order to influence public opinion to the editorial desk's particular preferences. They are also a newspaper but they primarily occupy a political position much more powerful than just a newspaper.

I thought no one's using it right now. He could even forego the underage girls entirely, and just chill on the island.

The striking thing about those battles is about how badly they failed. Wokeness got all the confederate flags removed in an instant, Cops and Roseanne canceled, and Dr. Seuss unpublished, and didn't even break a sweat doing it. The peak bipartisan efforts of the PMRC got a label on records saying "Buy this, your parents will hate it".

Doubt it. A lot of underage Ukrainian girls left Ukraine after the war broke out.

I got my wife the cheapest base model M1 MacBook from Walmart. Done with this crap. Only have time to tinker with my NAS.

It could also be officials in the administration leaking this to the NYT now to sabotage Trump's peace efforts.

Why can't one have a zenned out acceptance of their own mortality while still choosing cryonics? Not being able to prevent all causes of death isn't an argument to not try to prevent some causes.

And what would you say about the God-shaped hole if the success rate was credibly discovered to be closer to 50%?

I'm not sure I follow the conceit math? Choosing the 80% chance an emergency treatment saves your life seems obviously better than asking to be cryopreserved and killed now for the 1% chance you can resurrected later.

ach! I'm crusader-kings brained.

Epstein Island?

I will "accept" my inevitable mortality at Heat Death, assuming we can't find a solution for that minor problem.

I genuinely cannot understand the drive to "accept" what might well be the worst possible thing to happen to you, personally, or the people you love. Death sucks, we should be doing everything possible to avoid it. If it's "inevitable", we should first begin by trying even harder to actually check if that's actually the case.

Is cryonics the optimal arrangement? Probably not. But we're not spending the majority of global GDP on curing aging, which is what a sensible civilization would be doing.

You need to learn to accept your mortality; even if cryonics worked freezing yourself wouldn't save you from a bullet or a skydiving accident or anything else.

You can do quite a bit to reduce your risk of being shot or dying in a physical misadventure.

But the correct solution, in my humble opinion, is to push back even harder against death. We need to figure out a way to scan and upload human brains, alongside means of running our minds in-silico. Once that's an option, we can trivially ensure that nothing short of vacuum decay or the end of the universe poses a meaningful risk. That might not be the platonic ideal of immortality, but I'll take living so long that I need scientific notation as a decent consolation prize.

The war may have brought in fresh blood into this 'trade' but this is not a new method by any means. While I'm sure there's variations of how it works, the arrangement I'm familiar with is this: the girl is already doing some kind of explicit content but it's small scale and restricted to her native language audience. She gets approached (usually by another woman that also does this type of content) with an offer to market her through private channels to an english speaking audience for a fee (I don't know exact %). If she agrees, they create a separate account for her with a different alias (that way the managing company doesn't get thrown to the side by the girl once the account gets established) and all the girl has to do is wait and provide content management requests

And where is this magical place that is nice to live and has no Ukrainian refugees?

I am interested in cryonics, but I'd be lying if I said it was more than an academic curiosity to me, despite my strong transhumanist and anti-dying bent.

Firstly, and most importantly, I am young and in good health. The kinds of things that could kill me are more like being run over a bus than a drawn-out chronic disease where there's room to make such arrangements.

Second, perhaps I was mistaken before, since this really is important, we might be facing a real, no bullshit technological Singularity. LLMs are shockingly smart, and while I'm not interested in litigating the definition of "AGI", they are clearly both Artificial and meaningfully Intelligent. They also offer a potential road to true superintelligence, which I am reliably told can solve most of the world's problems. When it comes to cryonics, we might genuinely be able to overcome all but true information-theoretical death.

I am more concerned, at present, by the risk of automation-induced unemployment or my p(doom) of roughly 20% than I am about dying for other reasons. I need my money for the potential headache of ending up unemployed or unemployable. If $10m fell into my lap, I would certainly sign up with Alcor or another provider, but right now, it's simply not pressing.

Would you make the same decision? Should anyone be allowed to make that kind of trade-off with the assistance of medical staff?

Yes, and a "why not?"

There's another option between "hell of a coincidence" and "deliberate diplomatic sabotage", which is simply that the NYT is chasing relevance. They'd been sitting on the 2019 story not because it was a weapon kept in reserve, but because it was old news without enough relevance to make headlines years down the line with Trump out of office. Only now, when "Trump's relationship to North & South Korea" is again a newsworthy topic, do they deem it worth their while to run the story, because people will be listening. I think this calculus would exist whether the story was favorable or unfavorable.

It's clear to me that that's a claim about how likely cryonics is to offer a route to resurrection after death.

I am one of the lucky ones. No risk of growing up with anything but a secure attachment style. I have never had a moment when I wondered whether my parents loved me or would pick me first.

Then I went to medical school and discovered that lots of people did not have such good fortune, for all that I took it for granted. Classmates from broken homes. Friends who talk about their parents like cautious diplomats. I remember feeling almost offended on their behalf. If you cannot trust your parents to have your back, who exactly is left?

Scotland has not helped my selection bias. The proportion of intact, ordinary, quietly wholesome families in my immediate orbit feels surprisingly small. I keep wanting to file a quality improvement report for society.

As for the usual question, do I try to live up to the values my parents gave me, or do I optimize against their failings? Yes, although the first part dominates. They taught me the obvious trilogy that turns out not to be obvious in practice: work hard, be honest, treat people with respect. That is not a complicated moral philosophy, but it is a rather reliable recipe to becoming content. My parents are, like every human I've ever known, flawed people. That is not incompatible with them being good people, which they very much are. I'm lucky to have them as my parents.

Culturally I am not particularly Indian. They never treated that as a crime. They are mildly religious. I am aggressively antitheist. Everybody made peace. We have literally never argued about politics. I do not want to. If there is a place I refuse to import culture war into, it is the family group chat.

My father is the canonical example of work as a form of love. The night before a colleague in India asked him to see his granddaughter with an ovarian tumor that needed immediate surgery, so he stayed. Later last night, he did an emergency C section for his nephew’s wife. At the end of all that he still called me before sleeping. It is hard to nurse any pride in my own work ethic after that sort of data point.

Have I been a decent son? Mostly, with detours. The plan is to pay compound interest. Give them grandchildren to cuddle. Raise my kids the same way, with the understanding that the money I make and the effort I spend are more for them than for me. I will consider it a success if my children are half as fond of me as I am of my parents. If love compounds at that rate, the long run will take care of itself.

Your argument for cancellation would also apply to lynching.

cause dejure

You mean "cause celebre", or perhaps "cause du jour."

Yeah I'm not sure why the takeaway should be "don't report on our military fuckups" instead of "don't do military fuckups". Even if it got leaked on purpose now, so what? The press's job is to inform the public. It never would have been possible to leak to begin with if they didn't fail so badly in a mission that clearly wasn't very critical.

Okay? No idea who created those cards or what their criteria were.

Indeed- the 20s and 30s were a massive expansion in progressive thought to the point that the Americans installed a dictator and underwent a socialist revolution in the mid-1930s.

Modern feminism might be potent, but not "two Constitutional Amendments" potent or Civil Rights Act potent.