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Anyone have any theories on the song Mr Bright side by the killers? Specifically why it's been so popular for so long?

I like the song, it's good. I just don't know if I'd label it as one of the greatest songs of the last 50 years, which is what is implied by it's longevity in top song charts.

I wouldn't know, I'm a Fountains Of Wayne supremacist.

Every culture has catchy songs everyone knows. This is now one of those.

I must have heard this song 200 times and I never learned the lyrics beyond a few fragments:

Coming out of my cage and I've been doing just fine

It started out with a kiss, how did it end up like this?

he takes off her dress

Jealousy

the price I pay, destiny is calling me

I'm Mr. Brightside

I have a feeling most listeners do not know the full lyrics or the actual narrative of the song. I can vaguely recall a memory of people trying to sing it and not knowing any lyrics besides these fragments. But these words are very potent anyway: kiss, taking off dress, jealousy, price, destiny. Charged words, both genders like it.

The song is just well-designed musically. It’s recognizable within the first second. The guitar intro is really nice. The chorus beginning with “jealousy” is inviting and awesome, peaking with a shout of “price I pay, destiny” (cool!). Reminds me of the Coldplay “I used to rule the world” song — this is an inviting subject to have in your head. Universally relatable feelings (jealousy, defeat).

Maybe, maybe, the lyrics infect our mind subconsciously, and the infidelity / sexual fear exerts a kind of Eyes Wide Shut effect that sticks in our mind. But I don’t know if this is necessary to explain it.

Catchy melody. Easy-to-remember lyrics. Playable anywhere, from inside a car to a bar to a large wedding. Released during a time many millennials would remember with nostalgia.

Playable anywhere, from inside a car to a bar to a large wedding.

I heard it at a wedding recently, and it's such a weird song for venue that given the lyrics. The friend I was with suggested ignoring the lyrics and liking the vibe, which I guess I can understand.

At least at my wedding, I'd have opted not to have songs about that subject matter.

I heard it at a wedding recently, and it's such a weird song for venue that given the lyrics. The friend I was with suggested ignoring the lyrics and liking the vibe, which I guess I can understand.

When normies are several drinks deep into the night and this song plays, they don't care about the lyrics, just the "good vibes."

This is, sadly, the rule rather than the exception for songs played at weddings. Sting was inspired by 1984 when he wrote "Every Breath You Take" and has repeatedly emphasised that it's an ugly, sinister song about possession and control: when people tell him that it was their first dance at their weddings, his response is "well, good luck". Similarly, "One" by U2 was written during The Edge's messy separation from his first wife: when people tell him it was their first dance at their weddings, he's horrified.

My favorite example of this is that, apparently Bryan Adams's Summer of '69 was meant to be about the sex position, rather than about the year 1969.

Well, you just mentioned Bryan Adams. Day ruined.

My takeaway from this is that musicians really should realize that most people don't give a shit about or often even listen to their songs' lyrics.

If you asked me to recite the lyrics of my 10 favorite songs, I might be able to remember all the words to 2 or 3. It's just never been that important to me. Maybe because my early music exploration years were mostly spent listening to Norwegian black metal and underground punk rock, neither of which have the most intelligible lyrics. If anything, most musicians tend to be much better musicians than writers, so paying close attention to lyrics tends to decrease my enjoyment of music. Most artists simply don't have much interesting to say. That doesn't make their music any less amazing.

Or they only listen to one line and never pay attention to the rest. Such as people playing Born In The USA in attempt to be patriotic, when the entire rest of the song outside the chorus is extremely bitter about the USA.

That's on Springsteen. Maybe arena rock isn't the best vehicle for biting political satire. You can't write a bitching march and then complain that armies like using it for parades.

Even when that song first dropped I knew there was something about it that hit different. It's special for sure.

It also has one of the most easily recognizable initial hook (or whatever it’s called) of any mainstream pop/rock song. It’s almost unmistakeable.

You mean the guitar riff?

It’s not explicitly gendered as a concept (romantic jealousy) even if sung from a male perspective, its subject matter is near-universal, it has catchy lyrics, it doesn’t involve any highly vulgar sexual references and it’s sung by a man. Plus it’s energetic and upbeat, and it captures what a lot of people like to believe feels like the ‘happy sadness’ of the end of a big night. This combination is rarer than you think. Toxic is an all time song with catchy lyrics but straight men won’t sing it out loud most of the time, and it doesn’t have the slight melancholy of that song. Mr Brightside is inoffensive and universal, happy and sad, and nobody’s embarrassed to sing it.

It’s not explicitly gendered

Huh?

Now I'm falling asleep and she's calling a cab
While he's having a smoke and she's taking a drag
Now they're goin' to bed and my stomach is sick
And it's all in my head, but she's touching his
Chest now
He takes off her dress now

Do you mean the viewpoint character isn't explicitly gendered? I suppose that would mean that the song appeals just as much to straight men as to lesbians whose bisexual girlfriends cheated on them with men, but surely the latter demographic is too small for it to have any meaningful impact on the song's cultural staying power.

The concept isn’t explicitly gendered. Straight men especially hate singing songs sung from the perspective of a woman talking about men. In this case, Mr Brightside benefits both from the fact that it’s from a generic male perspective (avoiding that risk; women are much less worried about looking ‘gay’ for singing along to lyrics like this than men would be about the inverse) and from the fact that romantic jealousy is a near-universal emotion.

Compare Before He Cheats. Excellent cheating song, but no man is really going to sing it.

The "Mr." Brightside chorus pretty heavily genders it, but it genders it male, and most women don't mind singing from a generic male perspective.

Although its actual relationship to homosexuality gets weird if you look at it from the right lens. The song's about Flowers actually seeing his girlfriend getting kissed by another man and then spiraling -- there's no ambiguity there, he's answered interview questions spelling it out -- but the lyrics are bizarrely compatible with the singer being jealous of the woman and being cheated on by the man. And that's separate from the male-worshipping tones a lot of cuckolding picks up.

((Though actual gay cuckolding looks hilariously different.))

The easy misdirect joke ("and they're going to bed and my stomach is sick, and it's all in my head and she's touching his CHEST now") is just dirty enough to draw a laugh from everyone, but not dirty enough to make it impossible to play on a "clean" playlist; easy enough that even the dimmest bulb can fill in the blank but checks and scans. I genuinely attribute a lot of its popularity to that execution.

It's a jealousy song, which everyone can relate to in some way, but not an infidelity song really, I always thought the song is explicitly ("but it's just the price I pay, destiny is calling me") about the mixed feeling of jealousy you get after you break up with a girl because you're moving, presumably in the song about being a rock star but also an ordinary experience around going to college or changing jobs. You still have feelings for her and get jealous at the thought of her going out and sleeping with another guy, but you had to break up with her, this is you looking on the "bright side."

Because it's one of the last really big, universally known rock songs before rock lost the last remnants of its cultural force (or was killed by poptimism, whatever?) Sure, there are some well-known songs coming after it (Sex on Fire, Chelsea Dagger etc.) but I don't think they compare in bigness. Seven Nation Army is a competitor.

Also, it came in just at the right time to lodge itself in the minds of the Millennials, a generation that's bigger (IIRC) than the generations coming both before and after it.

universally known rock songs

I gave it a quick listen and based on that I've either never heard it or have managed to entirely ignore it as just another piece of annoying and forgettable pop punk slop with absolutely horrible production values. It triggers my ctrl-w reflex in 10 seconds. I wouldn't be so sure about it being "universally known".

It's probably more (universally) popular in anglo countries. Yes, I know, that's not what "universal" means. Still...

I was going through a terrible breakup that involved a big betrayal when this song came out and I couldn't listen to it without my heart rate racing. It captured that "my whole world is turned upside down" energy too well. I think that's what people are relating to.

I'm fine listening to it now.

The beat does a really good job ramping up in a way that mirrors your heart racing as you enter a death spiral of jealousy, before mellowing out again. It really is one of the all-time great breakup songs. And that's coming from a grouchy millenial who despised the song as corporock trash when it came out.

Agreed, it has a lot going for it even if the lyrics are a bit try-hard.

Although I no nothing about the professional music industry, I think "Mr. Brightside" is probably a song that nearly every songwriter and pop(ish) performer has a huge love-hate relationship with.

They "love" it because it's a simple enough song to write and arrange. The detailed Wikipedia entry on it has quotes from The Killers that say as much. The song itself was a "yeah, I guess this one isn't that bad" level of initial excitement. It was certainly not a "we knew this one was special" kind of track.

Some of the lyrics are high-school sad poetry levels of overwrought;

Swimming through sick lullabies

Choking on your alibis

But it's just the price I pay

Destiny is calling me

I'm just imagining the "cool" 10th grade literature teacher saying "Wow, these are such raw emotions. But, maybe you should spend more time thinking about, you know, word choice and avoid cliches."

Which leads right into why, I think, a lot of artists also "hate" this song -- it shouldn't be such a staple. There's nothing very specific or unique about it. It's a Rorschach test for each and every listener to map their own personal experience to. The experience of infidelity (to some degree) is common to many (most? idk) people. And it has a unique emotional resonance. Until the advent of true maturity and, very often, never, people always think their experience with cheating was the absolute worst. So, a song that makes (almost) everyone who listens to it feel like it's "their" song is bound to be huge.

But, again - why does this very median song (especially the lyrics) just "hit" so well compared to the thousands of other songs about infidelity and the harshness of romance? I think it's genuinely mysterious. And I think that's maddening for people.

To add another, slightly different concept in support, I also think that Mr. Brightside hits a kind of midwit depth of emotionality. To a lot of listeners, Mr. Brightside seems "deep" and doesn't come across as the overproduced love songs of, say, Mariah Carey. But it isn't nuanced. Once we get to the chorus of "[she's touching his] Chest now..." it's damn obvious whats happening and how you (in the person of the singer) should feel. Compare this to a classic like "Casey's Last Ride" by Kris Kristofferson which is a subtle meditation on isolation, loneliness, the remembrance of love or something that felt like love (is the unnamed paramour in the song, perhaps, a prostitute?). That kind of depth is something to genuinely wrestle with. It's ponderous and weight. Mr. Brightside gives you a much cleaner payoff -- "dude, like, this song. Bro, this is exactly what happened when Kayley/Ashleigh/Tara/Madison cheated on me with Chet/Chad/Braden/Glorp." You get to feel the emotional satisfaction of "literally me" paired with the intellectual self-satisfaction of "nobody gets this but me."

I think it's worth comparing Mr. Brightside to it's cousin; "Misery Business" by the band Paramour. This is a song from a female protagonist viewpoint (sung by a female lead, the quirky-alt-chick archetype Hayley Williams. You'll remember her from being the profile photo of literally every girl with a LiveJournal from 2004 - 2012).

The plot arc of the song is something along the lines of;

The female "protagonist" in the song sees a guy friend being mistreated by his existing girlfriend. She, the protagonist, somehow steals the guy and starts dating him. The song is then a kind of victory chant to the other, unnamed, female antagonist.

If Mr. Brightside had a, well, brighter side, it very well might be "Misery Business." And it has a lot of the same features I pointed out before; goofy teenage quality lyrics, personalized "literally me" accessibility, and just enough depth to make it seem authentic and meaningful.

I'm not trying to be critical of either of these songs. I'm just trying to figure out why they are what they are.

They are both far better than "Imagine" by John Lennon.

The experience of infidelity (to some degree) is common to many (most? idk) people.

I think I'll do a poll.

The detailed Wikipedia entry on it has quotes from The Killers that say as much. The song itself was a "yeah, I guess this one isn't that bad" level of initial excitement. It was certainly not a "we knew this one was special" kind of track.

IIRC The Killers had an entire batch of songs ready to go for their first album, but when they heard the debut album by The Strokes they thought "oh shit, we've got to up our game here", threw all of their songs out and started from scratch. The only song they kept was "Mr. Brightside".

It's always an ex-post narrative for this kind of thing.

However, I'd say, the vocals and video strike something within both men and women:

  • For men: Sigh. Argh! Fuck.
  • For women: Teeheehee, yes. Let’s you, him, him, and him, fight.

Some parts of the vocals are frequently misheard, to the extent such parts make any sense in the first place (e.g., “jealousy, turning saints into the sea" vs. "Chelsea... turning sex into a scene"). The song is also notoriously ambiguous accent-wise, as an American song that became a British staple.

The instruments are interesting. The instrumentals sound quite busy to me. However, busy in a good way. I suspect the instruments land at slightly different times at greater distances than what tracks usually feature.

The anxiety, tension, and ambiguity, with the catchiness (so much of the song is loud and relatively singable) resulted in something special.

The music video has women prancing around as sex objects with heavy make-up in cUtE period dresses (although unclear as to any period in particular), and Eric Roberts as an older-suitor/sugar-daddy-type figure, which further add to the female appeal.

Somebody Told Me is objectively better.

I would totally disagree, and I don't particularly care for any Killers.

I think we can make a reasonable argument that STM's chorus is much better, but the rest of STM is very, very mid. The verse, from a catchiness standpoint, is completely disposable, which is a huge problem because the song takes forever to get to the first chorus. Brightside, on the other hand, opens with a signature guitar melody and then immediately jumps into catchy verse. Even if we acknowledge the lack of actual melody, the rhythm of the Brightside verse is very successful; like many of the best emo-punk songs, it's frequently unclear if the good part of the song is the verse or the chorus (many Paramore songs would be a major example). While the guitar riffs in STM might be better, the synths really drag the song down, and there is, again, no competition with the opening guitar notes of Brightside.

Even if we acknowledge the lack of actual melody

I'd say we must acknowledge it, but in the "Pros" list rather than the "Cons" list. Try to combine it with any other lyrics or try to do an instrumental version and it would suck, but that panicked "I'm trying to escape from D-flat but failing" verse melody really works in the context of a story about a guy who's feeling like his life is falling apart in front of his eyes, and the contrast with the melodic "escape" at the end of the chorus makes the lyrics there feel like they might actually be admirable optimism, not just naive fantasy.

A major reason for its enduring popularity is that it's a song almost perfectly optimised for karaoke and drunken sing-alongs. The vocal range spans one octave, with most of the melody consisting of alternating between the tonic and the subtonic, which are only a semitone apart. At no point in the song is the singer called upon to do anything remotely complex, melodically or rhythmically. I've often noted the strange fact that the only song people are called upon to publicly sing multiple times a year ("Happy Birthday to You") features an octave jump, which most untrained singers simply can't reliably pull off, especially when singing a capella. By contrast, "Mr. Brightside" is a song that anyone can sing, no matter their level of musical training or state of inebriation. The simplicity of the vocal melody is such that even a literally tone-deaf person could probably make a decent fist of it. Helping the fact that it's so easy to sing is that the lyrics for both verses are identical, so one has significantly fewer lyrics to memorise than one would expect.

Space Oddity is the best karaoke song.

I think the talent floor to do a half-decent rendition of "Space Oddity" is significantly higher than to do a half-decent rendition of "Mr. Brightside". The former has a much more complex vocal melody, structure and arrangement.

I think I set myself up for this, but, um, the talent floor is very low for the way I sing it...

And it takes a professional to sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" at all well.

One and a half octaves, and we as a country used to all have singing practice every Sunday morning. Amateurs can do a fine job with a week’s practice.

Baffling choice of song for a national anthem. The entire point of them is that they're meant to be sung by masses of people, many of whom have no musical training.

Its military content and somewhat bombastic tune made it popular among military and marching bands, cementing it as the unofficial anthem long before Congress made it official in the 30's.

I'm sure it slaps when performed by a marching band made up of talented musicians. But as a national anthem, a song meant to be sung by masses of people, most of whom aren't professional musicians? Very peculiar choice.

People do successfully sing it literally all the time though. Every sporting event in the country opens with the Star Spangled Banner, and it's almost always great. Americans sing our national anthem more than any other nationality on the planet. And for everyone except the microphoned soloist, it doesn't really matter if they hit every note perfectly. That's the beauty of large choruses--everyone's tone-deafness sort of washes out and it aounds great no matter what. I have never once been disappointed by the crowd singing the national anthem at a baseball game.

The Star Spangled Banner fucking slaps, and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't.

I'm not even criticising it from a compositional standpoint, I just think the level of technical skill it requires is beyond the reach of most untrained singers. I'm not even American but I've seen more than my fair share of "fail" videos where solo singers hit bum notes or have audible voice cracks when they get up into the higher register ("land of the free"). When sung by a singer who knows what they're doing it's a suitably stirring piece of music.

It's not really meant to be a sing-along though, and most people don't. It's an anthem, not a hymn.

I agree. IMO a much better anthem would be "The Maine Stein Song", slowed down and with more appropriate lyrics.

Chopping and screwing is an American tradition.

IIRC correctly The Killers did the opening for the recent Champion's League final. They looked old.

I think it hits a time and place like some of the 90s music did but little of the 2000s music did. For people who watched the music video it's quite odd and sticks in your mind.

IIRC correctly

Personal PIN number. ATM machine.

Ass to mouth machine? What kind of sicko are you??? /j

We are all of us in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

Oof got me.

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