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hydroacetylene
5m ago
free IUDs and Nexplanon as humanly possible
Awfully bold assumption that I don't think birth control pills are similarly murderous.
hydroacetylene
8m ago
Old liberal women are just like that- I think it's a blue tribe cultural thing that just comes off wrong to non-blue tribers(which, coincidentally, all[literally] swung away from Harris).
It's not lost on me that if you actually listen to the humour and derogatory stereotypes blacks tell about whites, it's, uh, not aimed at conservatives(they call us 'rednecks' and the humour is quite a bit more good-natured).
phailyoor
10m ago
You can respond to this in two ways:
- Tell them not to have premarital sex.
- Tell them to keep the baby because single motherhood is a heroic thing to do; you're CHOOSING LIFE.
Why not both?
hydroacetylene
11m ago
The fact that they're funding Harry Sisson, of all people, indicates that there's a major hole in this control of the mainstream media. Catturd may be ridiculous but nobody on the left measures up.
ThisIsSin
Cainanites and Abelists
11m ago
This is a perfect explanation for the semi-rhetorical question later posed by @hydroacetylene here- as a response to you, in fact- the reason "liburals" (I prefer "progressives" for this group- progressives are not classical liberals so I don't call them that) don't take traditionalists seriously about decreasing baby murder is that decreasing baby murder is obviously not a terminal value for them and it's just a fight over aesthetics (because if it was, traditionalist organizations would be handing out as many free IUDs and Nexplanon as humanly possible; since they oppose this, they're obviously not serious about solving the problem as long as it's not their way).
You're also wrong about age of consent laws. Before 1900 most states set the age of consent at 10-12. Higher age of consent laws are a modern invention.
No, you're proving my point. Gynosupremacy/feminism pushed for high age of consent laws coincident with their emergence as a viable political force, which itself follows socioeconomic effects (gender equality following the decoupling of physical strength from production of goods) in industrial societies; I'm explaining why they did that. I can't link to the original post(s) here more fully explaining this because the person who made them has their account set to private (and they're banned, or at least their alt is).
In the Greco-Roman world infanticide was allowed.
Yes, obviously. Children are property of those who make them, and it is their right to dispose of them as they wish coincident with the child's ability to resist it as dictated by market conditions (usually a society's age of majority, though less than that due to the fact an age of majority results in market distortions so it's usually higher than it actually is).
What, you weren't told "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it" as a child? That was a Cosby show thing, I believe.
You strike me as a secular right-winger who's grasping for straws to justify why the church lady anti-abortion crusade is actually rational and BASED, anything other than accept that maybe the hated liburals are right about a single subject.
You really haven't read enough of me.
hydroacetylene
18m ago
Publicly excommunicate AOC? Put major thumb on the scale in the NYC primary?
hydroacetylene
19m ago
Greg Abbott literally let the Texas Catholic bishops write the exactitudes of clarifying the state's maternal health exceptions- just like in Andorra, where the local bishop as co-president prevents any liberalization of abortion, the threat of excommunicating Greg Abbott prevents any abortion loophole-abuse in Texas.
hydroacetylene
30m ago
There are no homeless people starving to death in the USA(source- look at their waistlines). There are probably some who freeze to death from lack of shelter, or die of ordinarily quite preventable diseases due to poor hygiene, or..., but not as many as simply die from drug overdoses.
Amadan
Enjoying my short-lived victory
32m ago
The far-right prefers option 1
Can I just register my annoyance with this kind of boo-light? Yes, I am just as annoyed by "radical feminists" and "extreme leftists," which 9 times out of 10 is used to refer to normie feminists and center-libs.
In fact pretty much all religious people (if they follow a religion that makes any pretense of traditionality) would prefer people not have premarital sex. Even liberal denominations in theory advocate against it, though you won't hear a peep of actual condemnation from the pulpit nowadays.
Conservatives generally would prefer people not have premarital sex, but if they do, they would prefer the babies that result not be aborted. I wouldn't say they glamorize single motherhood, but if you want babies not to be aborted, it is both ineffective and cruel to say "You're not allowed to abort, but we will not lift a finger to help you and your child because poverty is what you deserve."
wayfarer
34m ago
No idea how I would figure it out, either.
try to ask people in field for advise? they need to be somewhere. but if you get paid for embedded systems programming in C and your product work, then I bet that your assessment of "I feel like I suck at programming" is wrong
(I am paid more, in lower cost-of-life country and I assure that I regularly feel "I am terrible at programming" then I proceed to ignore it as I realized that it is misleading)
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
34m ago
Riiiight, so they can be more easily doxed and their families threatened.
That's called terrorism and rebellion, and there are other ways of dealing with it. A state that hasn't at least partially failed doesn't need to hide from terrorists.
hydroacetylene
35m ago
The person too busy with Warhammer to date, the person who uses birth control, the person having abortions whenever she gets pregnant and the person who just murders her babies are all preventing new persons from coming into existence despite there being a potential if they made different choices.
I do not have a high opinion of NEET Otakus(which is what I consider warhammer fans to be, regardless of the japanese-ness of warhammer- it's nerd shit and that's that). Otherwise eligible men who are too busy with videogames should quit the gaming and start dating seriously. Married couples should be having regular sex unless medically contraindicated.
Religious and clergy are different, of course, but every society in history has had to deal with a class of men that would prefer cheap sexual vices(in our case, porn), gambling(on sports in our case), and entertainment(mostly videogames today) to marriage. The RCC has not, historically, had a high opinion of this class, and most societies in history have attempted to discourage it.
DiscourseMagnus
40m ago
Surely you can do both; don't have premarital sex, but, as a fallback option, of course single motherhood is better than many alternatives.
Medicaid is for single mothers with small children who are just trying to make it. It's not for 29-year-old males sitting on their couch playing video games. We're going to find those guys, and we will SEND them back to work!
In some states anyway, pregnant mothers and their young children qualify for medicaid even if they are married and making the median family income for their state. Even if they already have family healthcare coverage through their employer, and nobody in their family has challenging health conditions. They not only pay for appointments, but give them toys and stuff when they go. This might be reasonable from the point of view of the state -- I'm sure dealing with complications after the fact is outrageously expensive, and making childbirth and infancy safer is one of the great triumphs of modern medicine.
I wouldn't expect the average 29 year old man to consume all that much healthcare, and if they are it's likely to be for the same reasons they're struggling to work.
Adding: I'm mildly in favor of publicly funded healthcare for sort of basic things that we're good at doing, like things requiring antibiotics, it's dumb that the 29 year old man might not go to the hospital for pneumonia because it could cost $10,000 (who knows? It's inexplicable) somehow, despite really mostly needing $20 worth of antibiotics.
HighResolutionSleep
42m ago
Ok, assuming this is true, this means there's space for money to potentially go back to men more, right?
hydroacetylene
44m ago
While there's very few people who listen to the pope uncritically, there's a very large number who pay attention to the pope, consider the pope to have some moral authority, etc. We already know AI is a topic the Vatican is somewhat interested in addressing, and we already know pope Leo considers addressing AI in the development of Catholic social teaching(to be clear- Catholic social teaching is vague AF from a political standpoint, and it probably always will be. I don't expect an address of AI to change much about that) to be one of the priorities of his magisterium- he considers this a reason for picking the name Leo, after the author of Rerum Novarum(I've been told, but cannot confirm, that great respect for cardinal Burke was another major reason).
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
50m ago
I will note that since mechanisation, you kinda need militia to have tanks and MANPADs in order to provide a credible deterrent to tyranny. This isn't a reductio ad absurdum; that's colourable. But that's where the goalposts are.
(I am armed up to the extent of the law in Victoria - i.e. I have a compound bow - but this isn't to FIGHT THE POWER. This is as a moderately-unlikely contingency in case of the police failing to control cannibal looter mobs subsequent to nuclear war. Cannibal looter mobs are much easier to fight off than SWAT.)
hydroacetylene
51m ago
My suspicion is that families hardcore committed to trans kids will leave red states(good riddance). The real place this will become relevant will be child custody disputes.
DradisPing
54m ago
Why does Silicon Valley feel the need to build a lobbying strategy for the Vatican?
They want to get people on board with AI alignment. Right now there are two major groups working on it - SF leftists and Intelligence Community linked government people. There's a lot of distrust of both those groups.
Getting the Vatican to inspect their work and say that AI at least isn't designed to be evil would be a step forward for a lot of people.
hydroacetylene
54m ago
Yes, it's pretty normal to get dental surgery in Tijuana or Ciudad Juarez, but usually only if you already live in the southwest- and you probably get some cheap shopping done while you're at it.
solowingpixy
the resident car guy
54m ago
Mike Johnson was going after gamers because he's too spineless to admit that elderly dementia patients are what's actually eating up Medicaid's budget. Arguments about single mothers or NEET gamers are a distraction from the fact that the welfare state mostly exists to subsidize the old and that nobody really wants to talk about cutting old people welfare.
As for the social conservatives, I think the goalposts have moved past abortion (which was mostly made obsolete by Plan B being made available OTC) once many of the dare I say Catholics among them realized to their horror that devotion to the awfully Protestant and capitalist sounding "success sequence" doesn't so much lead to abortions as a lack of fertility itself. See also: The Conservative Case for Teen Pregnancy.
The relatively secular far right may differ with the relatively Catholic social conservatives (though Mike Johnson is an Evangelical, which itself makes for a fun divide among both the secular and religious conservatives on the Israel Question) on the Single Mother Question, but nowhere near as bitterly as they differ over the Immigration Question (The secular far right see social conservatives and especially Catholic social conservatives as being unreliable on the Immigration Question, in alliance with the capitalists who are otherwise happy to crush social conservatives' fruitful multiplication with careerism and contraceptives.).
erwgv3g34
55m ago
Medicaid is for single mothers with small children who are just trying to make it. It's not for 29-year-old males sitting on their couch playing video games. We're going to find those guys, and we will SEND them back to work!
Duly noted, Speaker Johnson. Since the program is not for me, I have no reason for wanting it to exist. Burn it to the ground. And never vote for Mike Johnson, or for any other politician who is fine with gibs for single mothers but God forbid a young male should get some.
Hadad
57m ago
I'd actually say we've seen America do nothing but slide down the slippery slopes since the 70s. It may not have taken the exact same form at the exact same pace as Canada, but it's still tumbling down.
hydroacetylene
57m ago
It seems just barely possible for KJB? It's pretty clear she just kept getting appointed to higher and higher spots on the basis of her race and gender, and it's entirely possible to me that was enough to get someone a bit dim by the standards of the judiciary, at least, into a high-powered law school.
Sure, but it's also perfectly accurate; the problem comes from outdated notions of attaching a moral valence to it. It's just what each partner in a relationship has a high statistical probability of bringing to the table (or the opposite partner have a high statistical probability of attaching outsized value to) when negotiating how to live together- nothing more, nothing less. It and [love for one's partner] remain compatible with this view; indeed, love is the notion of long-term investment/convergence backstopping these negotiations.
Without that framing, the dynamics around the argument aren't comprehensible. You even get comment chains like this that show the people making these arguments are so incredibly close to completely understanding it, but are lacking that one final piece/self-honesty... or they're just burying it.
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