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Every White Male In Minnesota is now ICE

First I saw the video of a MSM Cameraman who was accused by a crowd of being ICE due to the car he drove. He himeslf was Anti-ICE and fine with opening his vehicle up and showing that all he had inside was camera equipment. The crowd was not mollified by this, their demands just grew more ridiculous. "Get another car! Rent a car!" They learned no lessons about stereotyping people based on their race and vehicle. It was the victim's fault for looking like the wrong type of person.

Then I saw the video of the tech workers sitting down for lunch together. One of the gentlemen was on an Anti-ICE Signal chat and saw a notification that was accusing him and his friends of being ICE. At first it seemed funny, but then the mob descended. And of course, despite this mob not having any badges, several of them covering up their faces, generally being a threatening bunch, these tech workers were expected to give out details about where they work, where they live, what their occupation is, their politics, etc. lest they face the wrath of the mob.

The videos are abundant once you start looking. The Tree Trimmer who has a caravan of Anti-ICE cars following them around, honking, for the crime of driving a work van with tinted windows. The tall white guy just walking by himself with a warm jacket.

The irony of it all is that this is what anti ICE groups are accusing ICE of doing. Going to places and harassing people based off of stereotypes without any legal authority to do so. Demanding evidence to prove that someone belongs here.

However, that's just not true. ICE goes after specific people who have a final order of dismissal from an Immigration judge. When they do so, they often find other illegal immigrants living in the same area or working at the same business, as that is the nature of these things. Oftentimes these people also have final orders of removal. And so it goes.

From January to October of last year, only 170 US citizens were detained by ICE as reported by ProPublica. Of those 170, many were arrested for interfering with ICE operations. Compare this with 234,211 removals (I don't have data on arrests or detentions, but I can assume the number of arrests/detentions is greater than removals. The "US Citizen arrest rate" is at most 0.07% of the ICE arrestees, probably much smaller due to fact that there are more detentions than removals.

In July 2025, during street arrests and similar activities, ICE arrested some 4,494 persons who had no criminal record and no final order of deportation. If ICE were just arresting people who looked different, this is the statistic that would show it. The vast majority of Black people (96%) and Hispanic people (79%) in this country are citizens, so, if a government dragnet arrests a bunch of Hispanic people just for their skin color, we would expect about four out of five of them to turn out to be U.S. citizens. The ratio would be even higher in this dataset, because we’re already excluding people with final orders of deportation.


Of the 4,494 immigration suspects arrested in July, 209 have been released (<5%). 30 won their cases and received some form of formal relief. The others were released without much detail, but it seems safe to assume that ICE realized that they were likely to win relief in some form and pre-emptively granted it themselves. Zero—I repeat, zero—of those arrested were U.S. citizens.

The narrative of, "ICE is just going to immigrant communities and asking to see papers and then arresting anyone who can't prove without a shadow of a doubt that they're here legally," does not hold up to scrutiny. But it seems like Anti-ICE people are assuming this is their playbook because it's what they would do, and are now doing.

From January to October of last year, only 170 US citizens were detained by ICE as reported by ProPublica. Of those 170, many were arrested for interfering with ICE operations. Compare this with 234,211 removals (I don't have data on arrests or detentions, but I can assume the number of arrests/detentions is greater than removals. The "US Citizen arrest rate" is at most 0.07% of the ICE arrestees, probably much smaller due to fact that there are more detentions than removals.

It's interesting that you preceded this little tidbit with examples of four non-ICE being accused of ICE. How many people accused of being ICE actually were ICE? If you're implying that a certain false positive rate is acceptable, at least show that the behavior you're complaining about is above that rate.

No. You can’t equivocate law enforcement with mob behavior. You’re trying to compare false positives with legitimate law enforcement with false positives in the disruption of said law enforcement.

I agree that certain false positive rates are acceptable when enforcing the law (up to but not past the point of conviction/sentencing at least). I disagree that certain false positive rates are acceptable when forming a mob. This is not hypocrisy.

But the problem isn't in the false positive rates, the problem is the methodology of accosting random people in public. I can point to official statistics about ICE to demonstrate that this is not their methodology. I do not have comparable statistics for Anti-ICE protestors, but I can point to them literally doing the methodology they accuse ICE of in broad daylight.

There's a degree of equivocation though. The worst thing the mobs you described did was mildly irritate people for periods lasting up to five minutes (if I'm being generous). The feect on one guy was that there was a parade of cars behind him honking, which happens to anyone who drives in rush hour on a daily basis. It's not nothing, but it isn't in the same league as being detained for a day or more. The acceptable false positive rate you're really looking for is the number of people who were accosted by ICE but weren't detained.

The acceptable false positive rate you're really looking for is the number of people who were accosted by ICE but weren't detained.

That would be closer to analogosity, but I don't think it quite reaches; someone hassled but not detained by ICE still has it worse, because of the implication.

I agree that certain false positive rates are acceptable when enforcing the law (up to but not past the point of conviction/sentencing at least).

And past it too - in a lot of cases, we won't have definitive proof, and part of that means that we will occasionally put the wrong person in jail.

Yeah, but I'm slightly less ok with that. Not 100% less ok, just slightly and it isn't really necessary to the point if we're comparing false positives on detainees.

I agree that certain false positive rates are acceptable when enforcing the law (up to but not past the point of conviction/sentencing at least). I disagree that certain false positive rates are acceptable when forming a mob. This is not hypocrisy.

In that case it doesn't matter if the mob is harassing or assaulting ICE or non-ICE folks.

Which implies that the examples you gave are not relevant.

The examples I gave in the OP had nothing to do with a false positive rate. I'll repeat:

But the problem isn't in the false positive rates, the problem is the methodology of accosting random people in public. I can point to official statistics about ICE to demonstrate that this is not their methodology. I do not have comparable statistics for Anti-ICE protestors, but I can point to them literally doing the methodology they accuse ICE of in broad daylight.

Agreed. The same generosity however is not applied to ICE

I don't understand how any White man could support the left in this country. You can think what you want about healthcare, you can hate Donald Trump if you want, all that could be true and I still don't understand how you could support the left. The left has such open, naked hatred directed specifically at White men it just feels like self-preservation should kick in at some point and supersede the rest of your political preferences.

The left has such open, naked hatred directed specifically at White men it just feels like self-preservation should kick in at some point and supersede the rest of your political preferences.

The hate directed from non-white leftists to their white patrons simply does not register as a threat, and this is because the left sees the white man as functionally invincible. On this point, they’re more correct than not: he is, as a matter of fact, very, very, powerful (more powerful than some on the right are willing to admit) and the gulf in capacity between himself and all non-asians makes their fear of him far more justified (on a group level) than his fear of them.

Nevertheless, he is not truly invincible. Individual whites can and have been harmed by racial reprisal, and the white man’s institutional power has been steadily eroded since the civil rights era, now being considerably weaker than it was before. Still, he rules the better part of the world (in more ways than one), and since the left sees that as fundamentally injust, there is plenty of work to do.

I don't understand how any White man could support the left in this country.

Because I can Notice who is President of the United States and who is pseduonymously posting in tumblr so they don't get fired from their job at the coffee shop and make a rational assessment of who poses a greater threat to my freedom, well-being, and prosperity.

The left has such open, naked hatred directed specifically at White men it just feels like self-preservation should kick in at some point and supersede the rest of your political preferences.

YMMV, especially given that Republicans seem dead-set on killing their voters.

Lots of white men hate white men too, in what is usually called "internalized racism" when discussing self-hating non-whites, "internalized misogyny" or "pick me" behavior when discussing insufficiently feminist women.

I doubt it's just white women carrying the torch here for white liberals. Some of these men think of themselves as one of the good ones or have White Savior complexes, while others are down for some self-flagellating. It's not even necessarily limited to leftists or liberals among white men.

The left has such open, naked hatred directed specifically at White men it just feels like self-preservation should kick in at some point and supersede the rest of your political preferences.

That, but obviously reversed, is basically what I've heard from a lot of my friends who aren't straight white men. And you could say "well, the difference is I'm right about how the Left feels whereas they're wrong about how the Right feels," or you can say "YesChad.jpg," but I feel like neither addresses the core issue of "everyone feels hated, probably in large part blamable on social media".

There is a certain annoying rationalist-ish tendency to notice meta-level patterns and thereby conclude that there is no truth, or that truth is irrelevant, that there is nothing but patterns and that all things that can be fit to the same pattern must be interchangeable. Of course the other side has an isomorphic complaint, but it is simple, they are wrong and I am right.

What is truth? said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer.

What makes you think they are caused by a single core issue, rather than one side being right and the other wrong? Even children learns the simple tactic of pretending they were aggressed upon even though they know perfectly well they started shit. Why should we assume this is different?

Really adds a new dimension to the debate over whether handgun magazines should be limited to 10 rounds. How likely am I to be attacked by a group while walking down the street where I need more than 10 rounds? Apparently it's no longer in the realm of "absurdly improbable" but (anxious laughter) "statistically unlikely".

Almost like this is precisely what the kind of person who wants those limits is afraid of. Guns naturally nullify strength in numbers.

chuckles_im_in_danger.jpg

Something like 1/4 to 1/3 of ICE agents are latino. By focusing on white men, anti-ICE SJWs are neglecting to respect the wholesome Diversity and Inclusiveness of ICE.

Sounds like the anti-ICE SJWs have an excuse to do what they’ve always wanted to do: Harass and bully white men using the safety of numbers as a shield.

From the perspective of anti-ICE SJWs, if white men don’t want to be mistaken as ICE, maybe they should consider having a more diverse friend group or reconsider going about their day alone without a woman or POC to vouch for them.

Plus, now white men might develop some Empathy for women and POC in understanding what it’s like having to live every day in fear. So harassing a group of white men, whether or not they’re ICE agents, is a Good Thing in leveling the playing field.

“If you’re not with us, then you’re against us,” as that one lady in the tech worker video helpfully explained. Silence is violence. No justice, no peace. White men don’t get to flaunt their privilege and blithely eat their lunches in public when POC can’t exist without fear of getting attacked, imprisoned, and/or deported by a racist, fascist torture regime.

“My friend was shocked,” Lee said. “He’s on the [anti-ICE] side politically. He lives nearby. He’s eaten there before. And suddenly he’s seeing messages saying we’re ICE.”

The software engineers — all white males dressed casually in sweatshirts and jackets — were soon confronted by protesters who surrounded the restaurant, shouting insults and blowing whistles in their ears as they attempted to leave, according to Lee.

Lee emphasized to Alpha News that the group’s political views were mixed, but said the encounter left some of them reconsidering their positions.

“One of us is pro-ICE, one anti-ICE, others on the fence,” he said. “After this, I think some of them are rethinking everything.”

Local man who supported leopards eating faces shocked as leopards eat his face, friend says.

Wrongthinkers should infiltrate anti-ICE Signal groups and call the anti-ICE SJWs upon random groups of white men. This would waste the time of the anti-ICE SJWs and let the anti-ICE SJWs do some recruiting for the side of wrongthinkers. This could also be a funny thing for University of Minnesota frat guys to do to friendily mess with rival fraternities. Frat guys vs. anti-ICE SJWs would make for an interesting crossover event, like two groups of characters from different continuities.

On a totally unrelated note, can you imagine how much worse things like this could get if the US adopts Universal Basic Income? Suddenly every midwit in the country, every marginal person, every post-wall cat lady on SSRIs simultaneously has (1) lots of free time; and (2) a desperate need to do something that feels remotely meaningful.

I have two relatives that are passionately anti-ICE and I have found only a limited amount of reasoning in the maintenance of their viewpoint. They have no interest in discussing the possible consequences of high amounts of low IQ migrants on society, how deterrence theory factors into the desire to deport those who arrived as a child, the longterm impact of demographic change, or the actual statistical risk that ICE poses in regards to unjustified use of force. They are stuck on ideological “flashbulb memories” from the media and thoroughly convinced that ICE = totalitarianism = no freedom = very bad = they will come for the women next (and other such statements of catastrophe). I speculate that the motivations behind some of the protesting has a purely psychological etiology: excitement from a sense of purpose + externalizing the problems which plague one’s own life. Toward this latter point, I am reminded of the externalization in Ecclesiastes, where the worries about the breakdown of the human body are writ large symbolically onto the body-politic:

Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw near of which you will say, “I have no pleasure in them”; before the sun and the light and the moon and the stars are darkened and the clouds return after the rain, in the day when the keepers of the house tremble, and the strong men are bent, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those who look through the windows are dimmed, and the doors on the street are shut—when the sound of the grinding is low, and one rises up at the sound of a bird, and all the daughters of song are brought low— they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way

Spoiler in case you wish to decipher the metaphors yourself: (The grinders being the teeth, the window’s being the eyes, and so forth.)

Consider the poignant interview from the No King’s Protest: “I'm just so scared. I'm 74 years old. I worry about everything. I just, I just am so scared and upset, and I don't - I don't understand why people voted for this person." Fear, worry, confusion, alienation — is this really all Trump’s doing? Or instead, are these found in one’s own life, and there is a pressing need for communal catharsis, however artificial, which is so difficult to find in our secular and atomized age? A possibility.

I speculate that the motivations behind some of the protesting has a purely psychological etiology: excitement from a sense of purpose + externalizing the problems which plague one’s own life.

I think this is a significant factor. You probably get to feel like a superhero responding to an alert somewhere in the city and hopping onto your rented e-bike like the Batmobile. Then there is the whole psychological aspect of just getting to scream at ICE for as long as you want, any insults you can imagine. In a way it strikes me like a form of those "Scream Clubs" you see in leftist cities, just like the dark/evil version of them. I never understood the appeal of those scream clubs to begin with, but they seem very popular among women. Like the woman pictured in the article basically matches my mental model of what someone screaming at ICE would look like perfectly.

they seem very popular among women

If it is the case that everything traces to Ev Psych, then the “environment” of the progressive woman is torturous: your tribe has been deposed from power and the enemy tribe now rules over your old territory (he is “not my President”); their warriors now invade the dwellings to snatch away the little ones (Guatemalans and Ecuadorians short in stature whom she has been made to identify with as tribal equals — they cook the communal meals in the longhouse). The evolutionarily-correct response to this is to literally scream and stress all the men in the vicinity. Someone should do a survey to see whether political radicalization among women is negatively correlated to whether their husbands are rich / tall / strong / possessing abundant acreage, as these things would lead to a primal sense of safety and security. It is obviously lower in religious women who believe in a strong and mighty God, paternalistic and providing, who exacts vengeance against enemies in time. (Where are all the stressed out Somali women? They are psychologically buffered against this.)

your tribe has been deposed from power and the enemy tribe now rules over your old territory

Or more like the enemy tribe has recently had some minor successes in reclaiming some territory that your tribe long ago captured, but the enemy tribe is still far from deposing your tribe from power or ruling over your territory as a whole.

Since the ev. psych. playbook of women, when their tribe is defeated and conquered, would be to shrug and submit to the conquerors.

The evolutionarily-correct response to this is to literally scream and stress all the men in the vicinity.

It reminds me of the trope associated with street fight videos, where uninvolved women can be commonly heard screaming. Men engaged in combat; women most affected.

In a way it strikes me like a form of those "Scream Clubs" you see in leftist cities, just like the dark/evil version of them. I never understood the appeal of those scream clubs to begin with, but they seem very popular among women

I dunno, it reminds me of Rage Yoga, which I feel was more popular with men. And I can certainly understand the appeal of "exercise coupled with getting some good hearty shouting in". Sometimes you just want to be that guy from the Highlander: The One meme, ya know?

I wonder when anti-ICE groups will start attacking each other, in the spirit of the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front.

Does this count? https://x.com/i/status/2012649035673350540

Why would it? They attacked him because they thought he was an ICE supporter for wearing hunting (rather than military) camo.

Because it seems he was in their protest group, just didn't get the memo that they don't wear camo on Saturdays or whatever the line is now. Maybe you can expand what your comment meant because I took it as a general, how long before they eat their own?

I mean how long before an anti-ICE group attacks another anti-ICE group for doing anti-ICE activities all wrong? And they consider the other anti-ICE group just as bad as (if not worse than) ICE.

But it seems like Anti-ICE people are assuming this is their playbook because it's what they would do, and are now doing.

This is still too much of a mistake theory frame. The anti-ICE people don't care what ICEs playbook is. They oppose ICE and will do and say anything that they think helps their cause. They stubbornly deny the agent who shot Renee Good was hit by her car. They made up an Allentown grandfather. They post all sorts of stories, often claiming they're backed up by video... but the video doesn't back them up. Or they post videos which aren't even of ICE agents, such as this one. Yeah, that looks bad -- but those aren't ICE agents, those are Mobile, Alabama sheriff's deputies, and that particular incident isn't even an immigration arrest. And those filming likely KNEW those were sheriff's deputies because they (unlike the camera) could have seen what was written on the side of the police vehicle.

I don't know if they're anti-ICE because they're pro-open-borders or (more likely) they're just anti-Trump, but they're definitely by-any-means-necessary full conflict theory people.

This is still too much of a mistake theory frame. The anti-ICE people don't care what ICEs playbook is. They oppose ICE and will do and say anything that they think helps their cause

But is it really helpful to their cause to (apparently) give everyone the impression that they are a bunch of unhinged lunatics?

It reminds me of a (in my opinion) fascinating video made by William Pierce (the late neo-Nazi). It's only about 4 minutes but well worth watching in my opinion.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mu4-RRhs9aM

The red guards don't, uh, care very much if they make the revolution look bad, because the revolution cannot be criticized. It doesn't occur to them that not everyone thinks this way.

But is it really helpful to their cause to (apparently) give everyone the impression that they are a bunch of unhinged lunatics?

Wait, are you talking about anti-ICE people or ICE officers?

But is it really helpful to their cause to (apparently) give everyone the impression that they are a bunch of unhinged lunatics?

Not "everyone" gets this impression because only sketchy right-wing sources like AlphaNews report it. You won't see it on the mainstream media, not even the local Fox affiliate (which appears to be fully anti-ICE).

Note on that Reddit thread of the Mobile Sheriff's deputies, not one person even questioned whether those WERE ICE agents. Probably because the mods would ban anyone who did.

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