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This is too dank to believe, and I don't believe it, but it is what my Twitter feed wants me to believe, and I'm sharing it on that basis.
The combination of the messages on the cartridges is best explained by Robinson being deep into gamer culture
Where does this end up? If Robinson was deep into HoI4 online culture, his browser history will be full of both Wehraboo and Antifa material. And if he got into the chans or the other online cesspools where large number of gamers hang out, then they are going to find all the bad stuff. So the people who want to believe that he was a leftist will find enough evidence to believe that, the people who want to believe he was a groyper will find enough evidence to believe that, and the people (like me) who want to believe that he was just a Thomas Crooks-style very online loser who shot a politician because in the current year it is more memetically badass than shooting up a school will find enough evidence to believe that. So the assassination will become a super-scissor. And, to add insult to injury, a wholesome hobby that I and many other Motteposters enjoy a lot (namely Paradox grand strategy gaming) will become tied in the mind of normies to political violence.
Brendan Tarrant killed more people, actively posted his stream on 8chan and yet 8chan is still around, though they did a rebrand/rehost. These things just pop right back up again. Relax.
People are overhyping the assassination I think. Consider https://xkcd.com/1979/ about the assassination of President Garfield and the section of the newspaper it's in. Permanent history of the world? Immortally preserved? Few even remember who he was and he was a sitting president! The great emotion of that time is forgotten, despite its greater significance.
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Crooks, Luigi and Robinson don't really fit the profile of school shooters very well. School shooters are usually extremely narcissistic, blame everyone around them for keeping them down, have a long history of lashing out and anti-social behavior, and either high IQ (Adam Lanza, James Holmes) or borderline rarted (Nikolas Cruz, Elliot Rodger). They usually aren't hooked in to meme culture since they despise their peers and think of themselves as outsiders. Crooks, Luigi and Robinson all seemed fairly normal and capable of getting along in society. Maybe they all have an extreme and rigid understanding of right and wrong, and are more susceptible to taking propaganda literally. But I suspect these assassin shooters are being drawn from a different pool and would never have been tempted to become spree killers.
Was Elliot Rodger borderline retarded? His Wikipedia article says he had top grades.
In any case, you have an interesting point. I'm not quire sure I agree with you about two separate groups though. Crooks, Robinson and Rodger all seem very similar profiles to me - they all got high grades in high school with a satisfactory disciplinary record but a reputation for spergy weirdness, and then went to universities for which they were grossly overqualified. All three were employable, but none of them were on track to get a traditional "graduate job" that would keep them in their parents' social class. Lanza looks like he was on the same path until he developed schizophrenia on top of his other problems.
Holmes looks very different - notably he is the only killer on the list to have had a girlfriend. (A not-yet-transitioned MtF doesn't count). It looks like he stayed on the PMC cursus honorum despite his issues until he cracked up in grad school. Possibly more like the stereotypical disgruntled postal worker than the stereotypical school shooter.
Divorced parents and excessive video gaming appear in some but not all of the stories - my guess is that both are less common among these guys than the general population of male losers.
Luigi breaking bad makes no sense whatsoever to me.
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Overstretching the metaphor, perhaps, but maybe there's a single pool and they're being pulled from another end of it?
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It's also supposedly an Italian anti-fascist song Bella Ciao and Metatron is angry about this.
I think "general antifa" rather than specifically gamer goes here, with the alleged quotes on other bullets, but who knows until the guy talks or publishes his manifesto?
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it gets weirder because now there is a claim that he was living with his transgender partner (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/breaking-charlie-kirk-assassin-tyler-robinson-lived-his/ and https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/) according to reporting by both TGP and the NYPost. I guess this could be the same law enforcement source that claimed there was transgender markings on the bullets so it could turn out to be some kind of exaggeration.
This would both be the most unsurprising outcome but also the funniest
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Apparently someone called out that "Notices bulge uwu" line is a sign he was a MtF chaser. I guess that's just a meme in that community? Or something? I don't know.
This news being hours old, I mean, it confirms all my biases. It's not a totally disreputable source making the claim. But it's still a reporter, and all they do is lie. Even when they tell nothing but the truth. Sometimes especially when they tell nothing but the truth. It's like their super power.
It's a more broad meme in the femboy/gender-non-conforming gay community, particularly the furry subculture.
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Do I have to follow him now?
9:48 AM · Sep 12, 2025
https://x.com/PerryALPHA/status/1966529244688695634
Regrettably, it does mean you must follow him now. At least it's not HitlerBussy420.
his twitter is now full of innuendo that he is a special subject matter expert on transgenders
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I think the source on the casings was ATF, again all rumor, but I think this one is said to be FBI. Supposedly the roommate who showed the FBI the discord chats is actually his... girlfriend (MtF)?
I have no idea, but this would explain the weird caginess around the reporting of those chats. I kept noticing that I was confused--"this doesn't sound like someone talking to a roommate, this sounds like someone talking to an accomplice."
Charitably: imagine being MtF with a boyfriend who has left his faith and family behind, speaking (perhaps in jest) about how he would do anything for you, even kill Charlie Kirk... and then one day he texts you or DMs you on Discord or whatever, talking about where he hid the murder weapon, and you must suddenly make a quick but calculated decision regarding the extent to which (A) you want the public up in your personal gender business and (B) you want to spend the next 20 years of your life in prison (and not the girl prison) for accessory to murder. (Less charitably, of course, this could straightforwardly have been Robinson's "guy (gal?) in the chair," in which case there might be further prosecution on the table.)
I'd be interested to know at what precise point in the timeline the "roommate" came forward with the chats--whether it was inspired by Robinson's capture, or what. I'd like to say that "all will presumably become clear in time" but I said something similar about Stephen Paddock's Vegas shooting spree 8 years ago, and I still don't know what that was actually about.
You aren't an accessory to murder just by being a roommate or even dating a person. You have to show knowledge of the crime and specific actions taken with the intent to help them commit it.
Now criminals can be stupid sometimes and talk instead of getting a lawyer and forcing the warrants, but it's decent evidence the roommate didn't help carry it out if they provided access to everything and strong evidence if no arrests have been made of them after.
I wasn't trying to speculate concerning the actual facts of this case. I was speculating about the thought process of the kind of person who finds himself (herself?) receiving the kinds of messages this person found himself receiving. The fact of not being an accessory to murder is a good step toward not being charged with accessory to murder, but we do both prosecute and even convict innocent people, sometimes, and people should always take that into account when considering how their situation might appear, to a jury, from the outside.
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There was an early twitter-person of interest who is a trans and seemed to have posted with advance knowledge of the shooting how much he hates Charlie Kirk and how "something big" would be happening at the event -- Omar-something is the handle?
It would not be very surprising if this turned out to be the roommate/girlfriend as well -- although FOAF is also possible.
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Ciao Bella is also an Italian anti-fascist song which is well known among the online subset.
It's well known among Europeans too, but I would've thought it does not work so well as a $current_year leftie anthem because of the theme of men going to fight and leaving pretty NPC women behind.
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Way back in the 90s, there was a popular freakout about video games making young men into killers. And then it kind of mostly faded; if I had to guess, I think it's because gaming became so overwhelmingly popular (and made so much money) that it became difficult to suggest there was some casual arrow between games and individual acts of violence. There were too many peaceful gamers, and (crucially) too much of the audience that would need to be persuaded politically played games, too, as games became much more popular and lucrative.
In retrospect, it's tempting to say that that argument ("Video games model and normalize doing actual physical violence, so video games cause violence!") had the quality of being a little too easy to understand and just directly wrong on the merits, and I think that's still true...
...but, well, meanwhile, I worked in video games back in the late 1990s and into the early 2000s. In particular, I worked on a few popular first person shooters. I had come out of the early Quake community. I watched mod makers I was following get snapped up by Valve before anyone cared about who Valve was. I watched the rise of SomethingAwful, and I had a friend get interviewed publicly by LowTax in the persona of JeffK. I worked on a game that had to take a low profile for a while after Columbine happened. I took to the internet like fish to water in the mid 90s myself, and was very influenced in the arc of my life by those early internet communities, and so I still had one foot in that culture when I started working on games.
I'm saying all that to say that, even then, it was very clear that the popular gaming cultures, while having a lot of charms and creativity and camaraderie, were really fucking up some young men socially, or were at least enabling them to get really fucked up. I can't really know if they might have gotten as screwed up without those communities, of course. But the worst part of my audience was already, even then, legitimately somewhere on the spectrum between exhausting and mildly terrifying (specifically in terms of their general public impulse regulation problems, their obsessions, their lack of any sense of proportion, and their melting down of old norms about provocation and treating really evil violence lightly, as though they were verbally characters out of Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction, or a Jhonen Vasquez graphic novel or something). I saw an observation once that it took until the rise of Gen-X to get movies like Pulp Fiction, because they were the first generation after movies showed up to have so little first hand experience with violence (specifically in war) that they could explore it aesthetically without it having any meaning at all, in a very postmodern sense. That observation has stuck with me.
Anyway, in retrospect - and here I'm just kind of musing theoretically - I think the real issue with that new online video game world was less about the things represented, and more about screens and disembodiment and representation itself. The rise of the always-on, ubiquitous internet makes it really easy and convenient to spend less and less of your time with people in their real, mortal, inconvenient bodies, dealing with the ever-present pleasures and pains of real physical mortality. And so more and more, you live in your head in overt and simple abstractions - character strings on forum posts, image macros on message board posts, game rules encoded in Turing complete languages inside a game artifact, decontextualized video clips on TikTok. It's all fingers pointing at the moon (or fingers pointing at fingers pointing at fingers pointing at...), and often no moon at all. It's obvious real in some important way, but that doesn't mean it's real the same way that interacting with other people in their real, non-discretized bodies is real.
There's an old line from, I think, William Gibson - "The future is here, it's just unevenly distributed". I've seen, I can't remember where, an observation that there appears to be a deep philosophical link between both transgenderism and transhumanism. And lurking in the background, with both of them, is the deeper reality that many of us (I certainly include myself here) are spending more and more of time as floating eyeballs attached to brains with floating fingertips, living mostly in the screen. And in that context, it's not so clear what being a woman or a man or even a human body even means, to some extent - you're more and more post-body from a certain point of view anyway.
Late Wittgenstein, I believe, came around to this notion that many of the problems of philosophy were, ultimately not problems at all. Rather, they were language confusions. They were the end result of staring at the highly fallible, faulty fingers pointing at the moon rather than the moon itself. One can squint and almost see that old chestnut of wisdom reasserting itself... "touch grass".
I don't think any of this evolution is unique to gaming culture, and I don't think it's new. I don't intended to single it out. The first massive psychotic flame wars arose between academics almost immediately after e-mail became widespread and seem to be something about e-mail itself. And that never really ended; my academic partner noted in the last several years that her insane grievance-mongering hair-trigger-offended colleagues, set off by the smallest thing in e-mail, were generally productive and pleasant in person and managed to function like normal decent humans in conversation. There's persuasive arguments that much of the pathologies of young western women were incubated in Tumbler in the early 2010s. Hell, even the 30 Years Wars followed the invention of the print press.
I was actually really quite down on the worst parts of gaming culture for quite a while, even after I left game making. And I do still have deep concerns and misgiving about a lot of it, although really more because I came from that culture, and so I have more natural sympathies towards people who participate in it. I think there are a lot of wounded people out there who aren't happy with where they find themselves. And at this point, I really do think it's more about screens and disembodiment than games specifically - games just happen to be a space that draws in young guys, and so it'll naturally be gaming culture where screwed up young guys work out their problems publicly for good and ill... and young guys do some dangerous things some time, and society is clearly particular wary of young guys. It's actually what ultimately broke me free from being too down on my former audience - by around 2014, I was noticing more and more (as the old saying goes) that even if only a very small minority of the gaming audience is legitimately screwed up and scary, there are really important broader social movements that are quite willing to throw anyone else they disagree with in the same pit with the screwed up young guys, despite being in many cases just as screwed up themselves. And that experience was, well, clarifying.
I came across this idea in the last few years and the implications are terrifying. The way it was out was that when you are online and invested in your online persona, you are essentially projecting your consciousness, your soul, out of your body and into a different dimension, a dimension where there is zero distance between you and all manner of hostile and corrupting influences. Other people, of course, but also alien artificial minds and egregores many times more powerful than you. And perhaps other emergent entities that we still do not yet understand. Since the space feels so "real" and meaningful to many, the online persona can often feel more real than the meatspace persona, and so the online persona, the one subject to an unknown array of corrupting forces, increasingly dominates and directs the actions of the meatspace persona. This is not just a long-winded way to say "people get radicalized online." It's not "radicalization" in the same way that visiting the wrong mosque might get you caught up with Al Qaeda or whatever. It's a much deeper andore profound psychological transformation.
Sounds like the kind of space where one could use some Gellar fields.
Scrolling your phone with one hand in the grass.
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It happens with any and all identities. As an individual, you cede self-sovereignty to the identities you wear, subconsciously or consciously making decisions based on them and their caricatures. Teenagers' phases embracing one or more identities too strongly is a perfect example. (N.b. this is often explicit and isn't bad, e.g. Christianity trades your fallen self for salvation. Heaven's 2 steps away, on your ego and through the gate.)
This is true, but I think the online world has made it much easier and more rewarding to put on that new identity, and it is home to much more powerful and persuasive entities than the IRL world. Before the internet, your new persona might impress your skater or goth friend circle, and they and perhaps the cool kids at school would try to exert pressure on you. You might see an ad on a billboard or a TV commercial. It's much more insidious now.
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Good stuff. This is something I've thought about a lot lately, but haven't really written or talked about, and so my internal dialogue about it is sparse. It's just key words in my head that pop-up like, incoherent, unrecognizable, inhuman, true evil. It's mostly intuitive right now, but it comes from somewhere and from something I observe but haven't really put my finger on just yet. The more we are introduced to this sort of trans (human and/or gender) shift, the more apparent and hard to ignore it becomes for me.
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I'm someone who plays HoI4 a lot and I've never heard this. Can you link an explanation?
HoI4 player here. It's a common inclusion in soundtrack mods.
Also in an official DLC apparently. See e.g. this Youtube
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I understood a few of those words.
But seriously, could you give a little background/context/de-abbreviation for the elderly among us?
Wehraboos, in a nutshell, believe that the Germans had the best weapons, tactics and commanders in WW2, and only lost the war due to the numerical and material superiority of the Allies, who also committed just as many war crimes as them.
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HoI4 is Heart of Iron 4, the Paradox Interactive grand strategy game set during the period immediately before and during WW2.
Wehraboo is a term of abuse for people who get overly enthusiastic about playing as the Nazis in wargames - it originated in tabletop wargaming culture. There are a lot of Wehraboos in HoI4 fandom, and if you want to run a HoI4 discussion board you kind of have to tolerate them, hence the fandom is considered problematic by lefties.
Antifa is a international network of orgainsed violent far-left groups. The name stands for "Anti-fascist action" and they mostly like to engage in street brawls with European soccer hooligans (organised soccer hooliganism is tied to far-right politics). They are insignificant in the US. The term is also used more loosely as a general term for violent lefties who enjoy brawling with right-wing thugs.
The chans are a set of online forums, of which the original and greatest was 4chan, with a reception for lax moderation, crass language, porn-ridden image-sharing sections, and tolerating far-right politics which more respectable online fora don't. Gamergate is widely seen as the first sign of young very online people fighting back against PC/establishment-left control of the discourse, and mostly came out of 4chan. All the chans have dedicated subforums for discussing video games.
I don't know about the history of the term Groyper but it is showing up a lot in my Twitter feed. It refers to very online right-wing antisemites.
You needed to start before that, even. It took me a bit to piece together that Robinson is the Kirk shooter, and that the cartridges thing is about the claim of him having written things on his bullet casings not having been proven to be fake news (as was intermittently claimed) after all.
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Groyper refers to fans/followers of Nick Fuentes
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"Bella Ciao" is an italian antifascist song.
And is obscure in the English-speaking world outside two contexts:
Given the other messages, I think the HoI4 interpretation is probably the correct one.
I have a book of left-wing political songs published by the British Liberal Democrats, and have actually been to events where liberals spent 45 minutes drunkenly singing anti-fascist songs. Bella Ciao isn't in there - we sang Bandiera Rossa for the Italians. I don't think someone who came out of general English-speaking left-wing culture would choose it as a pithy anti-fascist message to write on a cartridge.
How do you explain “catch this fascist” and that he apparently was living (maybe romantically) with a mtf trans person who provided discord info?
If he was in fact dating a tranny, then the "the killer was radicalised by transactivists" theory is probably correct.
Assuming it wasn't transactivists, the whole reason why this is a dankest timeline scenario is that if Robinson was, in fact, radicalised in the online computer wargaming community, then his motives have essentially nothing to do with mainstream politics, but nobody is going to believe this because of the obvious political associations of the wargamer memes he wrote on the bullet casings. The point is that the explanation for "catch this fascist" would only be comprehensible for someone familiar with the memes of the relevant online community.
I don't know very much about the culture of online wargaming, but the tabletop wargaming culture has a number of features which means that I can imagine a very online version of it being a risk factor for radicalisation.
But it wasn’t a random person being killed — it was a person a number of people labeled a fascist. So we are to believe he was using catch phrases that map to his target (per target’s enemies) but that was happenstance and instead he just was crazy?
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As thejdizzler and ArjinFerman have pointed out, it was used prominently in the extremely popular Netflix show "Money Heist", so it's no longer that obscure. Though there it was an anthem of the thieves, who weren't particularly political (they robbed from the state and gave to themselves).
However, the history of the song is explicitly explained in the show, so it's not hard to imagine how a binge-watching leftie would get the idea to re-adopt it.
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I'm not familiar with hol4 but wikipedia says it's strategy game set during World War 2. Bella Ciao is an antifascist World War 2 song, is it being used in a neutral non-antifascist context in hol4?
I'm not seeing it in the OST so maybe it is a song in an expansion or a menu song not included in OST.
If it's in the game it was most definitely included with the historical meaning in mind. Paradox knows its audience and many appreciate a lesser known song that flatters the aspirational History Buff in them. I'm not sure if that's neutral, but Hoi4 players do cover the spectrum. It is is a game where one can
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I play a lot of HoI4 and have never heard of this song. Considering another of his messages was explicitly antifascist what do you think is the logical association here? This sophistry needs to stop. His family has stated his political leanings. This is not a mystery anymore
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It’s also in money heist, which is a fairly popular, albeit Spanish, show on Netflix.
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While this wasn't a mass shooting, men are responsible for something like 97-98% of those apparently and they skew really young on average. Even violent crime in general is really male heavy. There's a racial skew but I'm pretty sure per capita white men still commit more crimes than any race of women.
Robinson seems to match this typical viral shooter type of demographic. Young, male, brain poisoned and on seven layers of "irony", amorphous views of society and politics that seem tended towards extremism/anarchy/radical change (the "need for chaos" as I've seen it called) of any kind rather than stable values that slot neatly into anything.
People keep talking about "the left" and "the right" but a single spectrum discussion is simply insufficient for covering how people operate and think. Even the slightly better political compass with the extra auth vs lib is still flattening the world far too much. These are often young men radicalized into chaos itself and we need a a way to find, intervene, and reach out to the boys before they get pulled in.
Strongly agree here. In general there's a sort of chaotic mindset where nothing is real or serious and everything becomes increasingly abstracted, as @CrispyFriedBarnacles said above. I think disembodiment is the real problem.
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Like I said, I'm taking bets. This isn't based on evidence, this isbthe left psy-opping itself in a desperate attempt to deflect responsibility. Notice how you had to gloss over the "catch this, fascist", and invert "bella ciao" to even make it make some semblance of sense, and they also doxxed a completely innocent man in an attempt to prove the killer donated to Trump.
The closest analogy to this is Nick Sandman, when you lot desided his smirk is somehow racist. Once it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he's a lefty, we'll come back to pretending none of this has ever happened, and that he's somehow not representative of the left.
I'm now seeing some initial implication that he was living with a trans partner. We'll see if that turns real or not but that would make the blame pointing side of things rather more complicated.
It's a bit of too gossippy for me to lean on it either way, but how does this make things complicated?
I imagine some partisans will still try and paint this as R on R but that will be much harder and possibly create more dissonance.
Messy.
I've seen too many times, it's not messy at all for them. Definitionally, their side is good and only does good things, and your side is bad and only does bad things.
I watched it repeatedly on Breaking Points when their resident conservative would bring up that Trump is doing 100% the exact same thing Biden is doing, and his liberal cohost Krystal would just claim without pausing at all that only when Trump does it, it's fascism because fascism is right wing. It's not about the action, but who's doing it. The exact same policy under Biden is liberalism, and under Trump is fascism, because of who they are, not what they are doing.
This happens repeatedly with my father in law, who repeatedly just refuses to believe his side is having schools secretly socially transition children against their parents wishes. Just boldly refuses to believe it's real, because his side is the good side, and that doesn't sound good, therefore it's a lie.
Lets not forget all the deployments of assorted "internalized mumbo jumbo" or "still within the framework of cis white hetereo patriarchy" word salads that get deployed. Even if they can concede a lefty shot and killed Charlie Kirk, well, actually it's not because of leftism, but because he was raised by a gun loving Christian family. It's the lingering norms of that culture which caused it truly, even if he had leftist beliefs at the time he did the deed. You're already seeing that.
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Other than my original prediction (Robinson has no involvement with either the Democratic Party or any organised far-left group), which I still expect to hold up, I am explicitly not betting.
That's very convenient because none of these things are relevant. The Christchurch shooter had a particular ideology, and no one would have acceoted "well, he wasn't registered Republican" as an excuse (righlty so).
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