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I would like to spotlight this comment by @urquan in last week's thread because it touches upon something that I feel warrants it's own discussion seperate from all of the drama surrounding the death of Renee Good. Specifically this line here...
Over the years I have often heard cosmopolitan liberals express a sentiment to the effect "the United States has no culture". I used to find this deeply frustrating, and even as a teenager it seemed obvious to me that there were clear cultural distinctions between the East Coast and West Coast, North and South, never mind between the US and UK or the US and France. We have an entire host of uniquely American, myths, stories, heroes, sports, holidays, figures of speech, etc... How could anyone be so blind as to think that the United States has no culture? It was as I got older that I came to understand that what they really meant was something more like "the United States has no culture worthy of consideration". The more I think about it, the more I think it is this distinction that the modern culture war is really being fought over.
In the blue corner we have liberals and post-modernists who seem to view the idea of nationalism and a national identity as something distinct from one's political, racial, and sexual identity as either "fake and gay" or something to be deconstructed and dismantled. To the extent that the existence of a distinct American national identity is acknowledged, it is as something to feel embarrassed about and apologize for.
...and in the red corner we have this guy. Yes I am aware the commercial itself is for an electric car, but let's be real, its a Cadillac, and I think we all know who that character would have voted for in 2024.
This ties into the rest of @urquan's post and what I see as the core appeal of Trump. I think that a large part of the reason that Trump evinces such strong reactions, both positive and negative, is that he gives off this vibe of being quintessentially capital-A AMERICAN in a way that I don't think any US President really has since the Cold War.
I have been accused of "trolling" and "rage-baiting" by users here for quoting Teddy Roosevelt's "Hyphenated-American" speech, but its something I stand by, and that I feel bears repeating.
It is that sense of one's real heart-allegiance that I feel is sorely missing from much of the modern immigration debate.
That commercial is awful; I want to punch that asshole in the face.
Not only is he an arsehole. He can't dress himself. With a two button suit, only the top button should be fastened. Sartorially he looks like shit.
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10 year old YT comment: “The commercial doesn't show the wife banging someone on the side”
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This is yet another word that is lost in translation. Like James Lindsay said, progressives/wokies share your vocabulary, but not your dictionary. The words have different meanings for them, often in deliberate ways if confusing the normies*. The same goes for the word culture. It is the usual grift: white and colonial culture is privileged and oppressive, and only through careful self-study and self-criticism can you awoke to these systemic power imbalances, and enrich yourself with other ways of knowing of oppressed cultures.
This is common word in these circles that masks agitation and indoctrination. This valence of the world culture is used when it comes to terms like cultural appropriation, LGBT culture, cultural competence etc. It is related to whole field of Cultural Studies pioneered by British Marxists in 50ies and 60ies, which only builds up on Gramscian theory of cultural hegemony.
*Note: some of these are on par with let's say 4Chan level of trolling. As and example of this, take the family friendly tag when it comes to trans and queer adjacent events like Drag Queen story hour etc. This is a wordplay on fact, that historically these people were estranged from their biological families and were adopted by their "community" a new queer group/family, like the ones described by Kath Weston and many others even in 80s and early 90s. Other examples are now notorious such as Diversity and Equity or even "belonging" etc.
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And if you press them on this they'll probably go on to clarify that the US of A as a whole has no unified national culture transcending all class, racial and regional differences, which seems like a reasonable opinion. And they'll probably concede that Appalachians or Southern whites, Mormons, prairie ranchers, New Englanders etc. do have distinct cultures of their own, even if it carries the legacy of structural racism or something. This also has parallels in Europe. There's probably no leftist there who will deny that Bavarian identity exists or that the Bretons have a culture, for example. But this has the potential to open up further cans of forms. For example, can a Somali goat herder become a Southerner or an Appalachian hillbilly? Should he even? Can a Syrian farmer become a Saxon or a Swabian? Can a Senegalese become an Alsatian?
Yes, but probably not in the first generation, and certainly not if he manages to ghettoize and remain linked to his foreign culture.
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There's a sense in which "culture" is an inherently otherizing concept. Culture is something for those barbarians over there, not for us civilized folk. We're not having a cultural festival, we're just having a good time. What we eat is not ethnic cuisine, but just normal everyday food. We're not imposing our values, we're just doing what's right.
So, for one to talk too much of "American culture" comes across like a concession that the hegemonic project has failed. It is a project wrapped up in an ostensibly universalistic ideology (in this case, something having to do with democracy, freedom, human rights, etc.) which is what justifies America's influence all over the world. If "Americans" are just another culture or ethnicity (spoken in the same breath as "Samoans", "Maltese", "Tutsis", etc.) then the whole ideology falls apart, and we become just so many decorative artifacts in a museum display case.
It's easier to see this pattern from the outside looking in. Every great empire-building people has to believe that they have transcended "mere culture" and have achieved some special calling that sets them apart from all the other peoples in the world - the Greeks with their philosophy, the Romans with republicanism and later Christianity, the British with their rule of law, the Russians with communism... But when the empire fails, what are they left with?
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As a leftist myself I do think the American left has often been too quick to cede ground on patriotism to the right. My impression is that a lot of this is due to a kind of cultural weaponization of the idea to marshal support for the Iraq war in the wake of 9/11. Fortunately there are writers on the left, both old and new, who recognize that patriotism and leftism or liberalism are compatible notions.
History aside, the notion that Donald Trump is some uniquely American president post World War 2 is an idea I find insane. Maybe that can be sustained if your image of what it means to be an American comes from slop like Team America World Police. Or if you have fully bought into the post 9/11 propaganda. But any passing knowledge of America's founders, it's elder statesman, our civic religion more broadly and the virtues embodied therein puts lie to the notion Donald Trump could possible be some avatar of it.
If we're quoting American statesman about what it means to be an American I rather prefer Learned Hand's The Spirit of Liberty
I don't see an argument in this post.
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