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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 26, 2026

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New epstein files stash released - search here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein

Trump is mentioned lots of times though some of the more lurid accusations (I was gangbanged by Trump and a bunch of other rich dudes) seem to be non credible. Epstein emailed himself about how he was annoyed that Bill Gates needed medicine from banging underage russian girls - probably fake blackmail. He also got banned from Xbox Live, shared coomer FNAF 4chan threads, talked with Chomsky about racial intelligence differences, getting advice on silencing a girl trying to expose his friends. For our global-intelligence-conspiracy friends, there are some connections to intelligence agencies.

Mods, remove this if it's a crappy post. It's hard to come up with a through line for this, other than "WOW he knew a lot of people".

I love imagining that the world's greatest boogey man is talking smack on Call of Duty and bitching about it on 4chan afterward.

I have decided to resign my position effective immediately with BG3 and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Larian Studios has quite a lot to answer for, it seems.

talked with Chomsky about racial intelligence differences

WTF, I love Chomsky now.

Mods, remove this if it's a crappy post. It's hard to come up with a through line for this, other than "WOW he knew a lot of people".

It's fine. While more commentary would be nice, there's no need to say something for the sake of saying something.

Elon Musk previously claimed Epstein tried to get him to go to the island but Elon refused.

However, Elon appears in the Epstein files asking to go to the island Some back and forth emails to pick a date for the visit, so it looks like he did go there and again rather than refusing to go, he requested to go there himself. Multiple times actually.

Here's Elon in 2012 (reminder, that's after Epstein had been convicted for procuring an underage prostitute) asking when the wildest party would be.

Here's Elon again a year later with some back and forth planning a date for another visit.

Elon doubled down today:

I have never been to any Epstein parties ever and have many times call for the prosecution of those who have committed crimes with Epstein.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017606707372016039?s=46

I had very little correspondence with Epstein and declined repeated invitations to go to his island or fly on his “Lolita Express”,

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2017490775324655826?s=46

Are there definite mails showing a past visit or only planning ones (which presumably didn’t pan out)?.

So far I have only seen planning ones. However the planning ones show Musk asking whether he can visit and one of them has Elon asking when the "wildest party" will be, when discussing a date for his visit. So unless I'm missing something here or these documents are fabricated, the idea that it was Epstein taking initiative and Elon always refused seems demonstrably a lie, because we have emails with Elon asking whether he can visit.

One interesting aspect would be how much we can trust the emails on Epstein's account who appear to have been sent from other people.

I think it depends on the technical specifics. If they scraped the data from his computers, then (unless the senders are the technical geeks who gpg-sign their mails) there is no proof that the sender ever wrote that. Epstein was obviously not the person who would be beyond falsifying mails for the purpose of insurance.

If they scraped them from Google (I think they did that), then the odds of him having messed with the mails sink. It might be that anything in the inbox, header and all, is still trivially writable via IMAP though. Ideally, one would want the mail server logs, but I am not sure if Google even keeps hashes of the mails they received. This still leaves the defense "that mail was sent from my mail server, but it was hacked", but with Epstein that seems a bit far-fetched, Epstein was clearly not some uberhacker.

Of course, if Epstein had messed with his inbox, one would expect that we would find things a lot more juicy in there.

Google is widely assumed to be infiltrated by NSA agents, who are probably mostly liberal politically, so honestly, who knows. I imagine their internal monitoring systems might be good, but who knows?

Why would they need to be infiltrated by NSA agents? They'd hand over emails given a warrant.

Formatting fix:

Q: Why would they need to be infiltrated by NSA agents?

A: They'd hand over emails given a warrant.

That’s consistent with Elon never going. Doesn’t seem like they set a date etc

Also consistent with Elon Tryharding. See Path of Exile ghost account etc.

Unless this breaks some obvious threshold where I need to notice I am likely going to ignore anything on Trump. I 100% believe he banged Stormy Daniels for money but none of his ex-wives fit the pedophilia bro type. I do not think there is a huge overlap in guys who bang Daniel’s (big breast) and into underage girls.

For the reason perhaps I should give other people with accusations the benefit of the doubt. Bill Gates though does have pedophile vibes. Even DiCaprio vibes like a guy who would probably go younger if he was allowed to. Trump just seems to have always gone for a different body type.

“He knows a lot of people” It’s weird how a quote from a movie will stick with, but in the movie never been kissed the one baseball player friend of hers who also went back to High School said something like, “If one person says your cool then everyone will go with it”. My view is if you have one famous person vouche for you and then you meet 5 more and handle it well then it’s easy to know 500 famous rich people. You are in the club. It’s much harder to find the first famous friend than number 100.

It's not about Trump actually having sex with 16 or 17 year olds, it's about spreading the message of guilt by association. He and Epstein were best buds. Epstein arranged underage sex slaves for his rich friends and contacts. Lurid claims of "I was raped by both of them when I was thirteen" just help that along. Nobody (except the dwindling number of people who do care about distinctions like "underage means under 18, not 12 years old" and "did this really happen?") cares if it's true or not, it's just convenient mud to throw.

He's a racist. He's a transphobe. He's a sexist. He's a rapist. He's a paedophile. He's a Nazi. He's a convicted felon (36 FELONIES!!!)

I do not think there is a huge overlap in guys who bang Daniel’s (big breast) and into underage girls.

I think that Stormy Daniels (and his wives) do put to rest any claim that Trump is an exclusive pedophile.

However, knowing one of his sexual tastes does not rule out the possibility of him having additional sexual tastes. If you know that someone restaurant critic is famous for his love of Italian seafood, do you conclude that he will never eat an Argentinian steak, but have seafood for three meals a day?

From an evo-psych PoV, the obviously advantageous path for a man is to fuck any fertile-looking woman his society lets him fuck. Being exclusively into teens or MILFs would really limit reproductive success, especially in monogamous societies where your marriage partner will likely start as a teen and age into a more mature woman later on.

We know that Trump was big time into running Miss contests (and allegedly walking into their dressing room). To my knowledge, he did not run any Mister contests, so it seems plausible to conclude that sexual attraction was one of the things which got him into that. Now, I am very much not into these contests, but it appears to me (starting from the label, a 'Miss' is a woman on the marriage market) that they are rather about young, nubile women than mothers with big breasts. A 16yo selected to appeal to Trump would be much closer to a Miss winner than Stormy Daniels is.

If the allegations were that he had sucked off underage boys, then I would be with you in finding that implausible, bisexuality seems to be relatively rare and there is no indication that Trump likes dicks.

And of course, there is Trump's creepy birthday message to Epstein. It could be about the both of them enjoying hunting federally protected birds on his island, but somehow I doubt it is.

A 16yo selected to appeal to Trump would be much closer to a Miss winner than Stormy Daniels is.

Not helped by the fact that age of consent laws vary from country to country, and that there are exceptions where what would be "statutory rape" gets relieved by 'Romeo and Juliet' laws so you don't label a 17 year old who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend as a sex offender. Also that despite legal ages of consent, the de facto acknowledgement seems to be "teenagers are going to have sex before that age, so teach them about contraception, abortion, and sexual health".

In some US states, it would be legal (if unseemly) for Trump to have sex with a 16 year old.

It looks like there's serious dirt on Bill Gates and Elon Musk at least. The funniest possible timeline is if Trump of all people has no credible evidence against him, but like every other elite from the USA on both sides of the political aisle does. So far I've only seen the non-credible witness stuff with regards to Trump, but I understand there are literally millions of files so who knows what will turn up in the coming days.

I'm a hardcore leftist and of course extremely anti-right and anti-Trump, but, yeah, I'm not seeing any new revelations about Trump, here, and so far there don't seem to be substantiated allegations Trump ever did anything sexual with anyone underage. I could think of hundreds of reasons to hate Trump and to consider him a terrible person and a terrible president, but the Epstein stuff is effectively just noise when it comes to him. If there's a bombshell regarding him and Epstein, everyone will know about it immediately.

Bill Gates though does have pedophile vibes.

I think you're probably just suffering from bias due to ideological disagreements with him. While Gates was/is clearly a creep, none of the emails suggest he did anything with any underage people, nor are there any other allegations or pieces of evidence pointing to that. He probably regularly cheated on his wife, and as the emails show he even contracted an STD from a prostitute, but I see no evidence or suggestion (or "vibes") he was a pedophile or did anything like that.

the emails show he even contracted an STD from a prostitute

Of all the things I did not expect to know, or didn't want to know, "Bill Gates the Nerd King was a playa" is very high on the list.

You clearly haven’t seen his sexy photoshoot from 1983.

(The photos weren’t published in Teen Beat as the article claims, but they are genuine.)

There's an old story from Mark Cuban about Gates getting a girl he was trying to seduce. I don't remember it well enough to recall a date but Gates married 5 years before Cuban sold Broadcast.com.

Interesting that m00t met Jeffrey Epstein right around the time the political board reopened.

Epstein also cited TRS in reference to B/W IQ gap, greatest ally after all???

I appreciate them making the chart black and white. Very helpful.

On a more serious note, I wonder if there's something off with the transcription, a lot of text is garbled. I wouldn't put it past the FBI to print and scan images.

How confused are you?

My boomer uncle has read a bunch of Unz (even though he doesn’t like him) and Jared Taylor lol. Honestly, though, I think it’s clear that while, after his first conviction, his friends would still mostly see him one on one or in private, his social calendar shrunk considerably and he spent most of the day online in the usual places curious people inhabit.

If he was 10 years younger he’d probably have been here.

SCOTT IS IN THE EPSTEIN FILES

Literally in an email chain named, “Forbidden Research” LMAO

...why does that guy think CRISPR is dangerous and forbidden ?

What’s =ith all the random equality =igns?

Could be an artefact of OCR, you get a hell of a lot of similar symbols replacing random letters in older scanned-in versions of text that is then uploaded. If someone was scanning in original emails then running them through some kind of conversion to PDF format, I wouldn't be surprised if such errors crept in.

Ever tried getting Adobe PDF converted to Microsoft Word? Even with all the updates, it's still a pain for this kind of detail.

Demis Hassabis? Terence Tao? How deep does this go?

Michael Vassar

It seems like the "non credible accussors" thing is a recurring theme in these files, and might explain why so much of them is still redacted. What are they supposed to do if some anonymous source makes up a horrifying claim about a famous person, with absolutely no evidence? They'll record it, of course, but they can't really prosecute the person unless someone else comes up with actual evidence, or at least is willing to give testimony. Releasing this sort of "anonymous rumor" is just tarnishing someone's reputation for no good reason. So it's redacted.

His sentence structure, paragraphing and grammar is so awful, yet we're led to believe this is Elite Human Capital who legitimately earned billions in finance? This whole thing was deeply sus from the start and only gets more sus.

So far, all the biography is consistent with him being at least very good at sales. While intelligence helps, you don't have to be that smart (or good at writing) to be good at sales.

He didn't earn billions, Lex Wexner gave him power of attorney over his wealth for some reason (maybe a scam maybe because both worked for the same goals).

Eh, he could be really good at handling numbers and selling crap by the bushel when it came to speaking and verbal communication, but bad at words for written communication, especially if he was just transcribing 'stream of consciousness' thinking rather than constructing a polished argument. A lot of the tech-side people write dreadfully, and a lot of us humanities types still need to count on our fingers. Hence the eternal war between the two cultures.

Using Paul Fussell's nomenclature, there are two very different classes near the top.

The upper middle are the ones who generally use their brains to pay for their lifestyle. Professors, lawyers, doctors, engineers and so forth.

Above them is the upper class, which as a class does not value education (especially not education in things which allows you to earn a living, like some pleb).

It seems to me that Epstein was really successful at passing as upper class, and that this was how he made money. Some of the filthily rich trusted him with their money not because he was the most brilliant quant in New York, but because they perceived him as one of them.

Absolutely common in medicine, finance, tech. Less so government but for some people, well look at Trump posting.

When you are at the top of the heap you don't need to angst about making sure you used good grammar and avoided typos, you just vomit out something for everyone else to translate.

Good managers understand their impact on the staff but most people aren't good managers, casual(ish) communication is a thing, and the absolute apex types aren't really interested in being good managers most of the time even if they can be.

It's a meme in medicine because of attendings vomiting out word salad instruction (especially for research) that students pour over like they need the Rosetta Stone.

I do this at work all the time. We have an hour marked for teaching? I'll slowly, calmly, and didactically teach you the pathophys associated with what we got up to today.

Send me an email at 11pm saying you won't be at the hospital tomorrow because of a curricular responsibility? I'm responding with "Sur" at 5am.

Good managers understand their impact on the staff but most people aren't good managers, casual(ish) communication is a thing, and the absolute apex types aren't really interested in being good managers most of the time even if they can be.

After all, that's what your secretary/administrative assistant is for 😁 I've worked jobs where I've been handed something by the boss along the lines of "this is my speech for the big do tomorrow night, turn it into readable and functional prose".

It's a meme in medicine because of attendings vomiting out word salad instruction (especially for research) that students pour over like they need the Rosetta Stone.

Proving your point, it's "pore" not "pour" (blame autocorrect?)

Proving your point, it's "pore" not "pour" (blame autocorrect?)

My grammar is ass. Any time it is not ass, know that I spent far too much time on writing it.

Am I capable of correct grammar? Possibly.

Do I want to? No.

Is this the perk of seniority (at least at work)? Yes.

Does this hopefully further my point given that I ideally have established myself as a reasonably educated and intelligent person in ten years posting here and at our predecessors? Dunno.

PhD Comics: Average Time Spent Composing One Email

OK, but in that case the professor is responding to simple yes/no questions or giving permission/orders. The student is writing a lot because he's nervous about offending his professor, not because he's putting a lot of thought into the ideas. The professor can still write long research papers though.

In this case, they're talking about fairly high-level stuff and giving opinions, but still writing as if they're a 3rd grader who needs ritalin. You can see he does put in effort when he wants to be polite ("I have decided to resign my position effective immediately with BG3 and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. I have not come to this decision quickly or without a great deal of thought"). But then he writes shit like: "on a different note=C2 , you have encouraged me to look at data , no holds barred. =A0 mortgages. inequalities . opportunities" wtf is this supposed to mean? I mean I know what he's implying, but the way he writes this is just garbage brainrot. Yeah, "look at data," brilliant advice there, I'm sure no one else has ever tried that, glad he could spare his valuable time to write that out, but obviously his time is far too valuable to bother specifying which data or what he's supposed to make of it. That doesn't read to me like a brilliant guy who's pressed for time, it reads like a guy who's drugged out of his mind and barely able to write anything at all, while desparately trying to sound smarter than he really is.

15 years ago this would have triggered me, now on the other side? bhahaahahaha

Wow, don't need any more reinforcement for my low effort posting.

I sometimes work with people near the top of a trillion dollar company and they’re clearly bright but just make the minimal effort to communicate, like it’s better for me to burn time decrypting their ambiguity than for them to write clearly from the start.

I don’t know if it’s some kind of a power move, they really are too busy to communicate any better, or maybe they’re just operating on too little sleep.

I don’t think finance bros give a shit about grammar. But there is also a huge divide between private equity types and public market types. You need stronger soft skills if you interact with non-finance people and need to sell stuff and build out a business like in PE.

It does seem like Epstein was more of a tax guy and/or wealth management guy.

Yeah I've worked in jobs with direct exposure to UHNW guys in text channels. Most of what gets you to that level of financial heft is a combination of drive and going all-in a few times in a row, which means in my experience they can be all over the place in literacy and communication skills. As you leave the pack of the UMC increasingly actual competency/skillset matters less than having the right mix of risk tolerance, luck and stubborness to actually make it through the great filter to hyperrich levels.

Epstein wasn't a finance bro, he was a tax-dodge bro. His entire net worth came from buddying up to billionaires with strategies on how to tax-optimize their personal holdings. Requires a lot less intelligence when your opponent is the federal tax authorities rather than other razor sharp finance types.

I noticed this too. Maybe he used good grammar and spelling when writing formal documents to his finance associates and used bad grammar with his friends and cronies. Many people who met him described him as bright and charismatic even back in his younger years before he was famous, so I figure that these emails can't possibly capture the full extent of his communication skills.

Watching him write such incoherent slop to Chomsky and then reading his glazing replies is unbearable. Can't piss off the donor. Or turn down his offer to get a ride in his private jet.

Pinker was wrapped up in this too and I read his defense a few years ago and didn't really appreciate where he was coming from and thought he was just trying to distance himself.

The annoying irony is that I could never stand the guy [...]. Friends and colleagues described him to me as a quantitative genius and a scientific sophisticate, and they invited me to salons and coffee klatches at which he held court. But I found him to be a kibitzer and a dilettante — he would abruptly change the subject ADD style, dismiss an observation with an adolescent wisecrack, and privilege his own intuitions over systematic data. I think the dislike was mutual—according to a friend, he “voted me off the island,” presumably because he was sick of me trying to keep the conversation on track and correcting him when he shot off his mouth on topics he knew nothing about

Now that I'm much more familiar with Epsteinspew I completely get it.

His sentence structure, paragraphing and grammar is so awful, yet we're led to believe this is Elite Human Capital who legitimately earned billions in finance? This whole thing was deeply sus from the start and only gets more sus.

Uhhh, no? We are absolutely not supposed to believe that. Are there people who are still clinging on to that?

Isn't the official story still that he's just this random finance billionaire who was also a sex trafficker and killed himself in prison... no, the footage cannot be found?

So far as I know the official story is not 'this guy is Mossad/CIA/Illuminati and that's how he has all this money despite being a complete weirdo and allergic to writing properly.'

They're STILL blotting out names on those emails too, it's not a good look.

My understanding is that he had some sort of weird possibly-homosexual relationship with a big NYC rich guy which he parlayed into control of his affairs and used that to accumulate the majority of the money?

That’s Les Wexner. There’s no evidence they were gay, but there’s evidence both were straight (the girls). Those who deny that Epstein worked for Israel can only hold up their hands in confusion as to why a billionaire financier set up Jefffrey Epstein with properties, powers of attorney, a jet and an infinite money glitch. But if you look at what Wexner was doing in the same year he employed Epstein, it was forming the MEGA Group, billionaires who would meet in secret that directed their funds and influence toward pro-Israel causes. Then of course, Ghislaine’s father was an agent of Israel (as per Victor Ostrovsky) whose funeral was attended by “the President, Prime Minister, and six serving and former heads of intelligence” of Israel, with Yitzhak Shamir eulogizing “he has done more for Israel than can today be said.” Epstein may have been working with other intel agencies at the same time, but I personally believe the Israel connection is the most satisfying explanation for his rise and reach.

Epstein wasn't gay, but Wexner could have been closeted*. His mother ran him, he married very late, and wasn't linked with a playboy lifestyle of arm candy before marriage. It wasn't an affair as such, but Epstein seems to have been genuinely charming and Wexner practically made him the majordomo of his wealth, and because Epstein seems to have managed that properly, he was able to use that backing to pretend to have (and really to have) more contacts and wealth of his own than he really did.

Epstein's genuine talent seems to have been in networking. He was able to make connections with the right people at the right time to get him into better and better positions where he was able to get closer to real money, and to make deals that (a) made him rich (not mega-rich, but rich) and (b) when those went sour, there was always somebody higher up and of greater status willing to be his backer and support to protect him.

*This article from 1985, when Wexner was 48, comes as close to flat-out saying it as it can, even though it comes with Wexner's own denial of being gay. There's mentions of girlfriends, but no specific names, and when the interviewer is touring one of Wexner's houses there is no mention at all of a 'lady of the manor' or any long-time companion. Interested in the arts, working in fashion, and the killer phrase "confirmed bachelor". Wexner was clearly more comfortable in the presence of men he trusted, and once Epstein managed to wangle that position of trust, he had it made:

And there is his widowed mother, Bella Wexner, the secretary of the company.

Bella doesn’t like her place and has her seat shifted next Morosky, closer to Les. She wears a white suit, and her black hair is pulled up tightly from high Slavic cheekbones into a bun. She holds herself in a careful way, like a taller Helena Rubinstein, with that instantly acquired czarina majesty some Jewish women take on with age and great fortunes. “This is a woman who was buying dresses 22 years ago and now has a personal net worth of over $100 million,” Wexner says, explaining his mother’s reluctance to talk. Les gave his mother 10 percent of the company. He also gave 10 percent to his younger unmarried sister and to his late father, whom he’d made chairman of the board.

“He was the son at all times,” says his friend Pete Halliday, “early, middle, and late. He always gave the floor to his father.”

…He is half in love with it, half in love with the other worlds that success has led him to. Not only finance, real estate (besides the Gurney house, he owns small chunks of New York), giant schemes, and takeovers, but art and philanthropy. He is on the boards of Sotheby’s and the Whitney, about to leave the American Ballet Theatre’s. However painful it may be for him, Leslie Wexner is inevitably emerging. He has had an apartment in New York for fifteen years, but suddenly he finds himself discovered, written about in “Suzy.” Ann Getty is on the phone before 8 a.m. He has lunch with Liz Rohatyn and her daughter, Nina Griscom. He is courted by women, for he is tender and gentle and a billionaire alone, and by charities, because he gives massively. He puts a trompe l'oeil mural of Fifth Avenue in his office in Columbus, but then he pulls back, flies out, disappears to the little dinners in the little city he says he prefers.

…And they crowd in on him, all the high-school kids from the suburb of Bexley who got the red cars on their sixteenth birthday when he, the only “tuition” student from outside the district, had to run for the streetcar; all the pretty girls who never noticed him but now stand very close and knot their fingers behind their back when they talk to him and look wham into his mournful eyes, trying hard while Bella Wexner watches her 47-year-old bachelor son; the friends from Ohio State; a few fashion V.P.’s shooting their white cuffs as the national business reporters and stock analysts run to the phones.

…It is why he goes to Vail for a single night to look out at the mountain and hold the woman he has had flown in in his arms. It is why he isn’t married, though after knowing him a year, one girlfriend converted to Judaism and actually changed her last name to Cohen (which Wexner insists was not because of him or because of what it would do to his mother if he married a Christian).

… Wexner is what used to be known as a “confirmed bachelor.” He doesn’t feel alone. He doesn’t seem to want a child, and, despite what he says about the perfect woman—Ali MacGraw as she was in Love Story, someone who is “very, very pretty” and not aggressive—he seems to be waiting to achieve some mystical harmony and balance in himself first. “A lot of people think because I am not married I am asexual or homosexual, but I enjoy a relationship with a woman,” he says sometime later, hating to discuss this, known for keeping this part of his life very tucked away. Of course, like his social absence, this increases his mystery and allure. Only Alfred Taubman, among his friends, still constantly tells him to get married, but Wexner, whenever asked, says, “Me and the pope.”

Les insists on his own things in place—the Wexner possessions—and, if he is across the country and knows they are laying a carpet in one of his homes, it bothers him. It’s a deep fussiness—he gets a physical on every birthday, does cardiovascular exercises, puts snow tires on his cars. He has always had a sense of how things should look, from the time he decorated his first room, when he was a boy. “He would have been an interior decorator if he was not in this business. Fashion, fabrics, colors—this is what he likes,” says his friend Rabbi Herbert Friedman.

…“Most people can’t figure Les out,” says Professor Cullman. “He’s the enigmatic but energetic leader. He’s the product of a female-dominated childhood—his mother, assertive, effervescent, bright, and action-oriented. His dad was contemplative and rather shy, uncertain of himself. As a male in a female-dominated household, he became both shy and dominant at the same time. A very unusual combination.”

...Though now Bella Wexner is often in Florida, and they no longer go on buying trips to Europe together, her office in Columbus is right next to his, and she is a force. It was Bella he asked to make the motion at the board for the tender offer for Carter Hawley Hale. Ask Les what is new in his life and he will say, “Mother just gave $3 million to the children’s pediatric hospital in Columbus.” He has not forgotten how she used to come home at night and start all the housework after her day in the store, how everything in his house was always clean and right in its heart.

Paging Dr. Freud, indeed. "The woman he has had flown in" is one hell of an awkward phrase. Does that sound to anyone here more like a description of a girlfriend, or more that of a paid high-class escort who may be more of a geisha/hetaira there for company, conversation, entertainment and some intimacy but not necessarily sex? More to quiet those rumours of "is he gay?"?

The young Robert Maxwell procured weapons for the IDF from Soviet-occupied Eastern Europe during the Israeli War of Independence, and the details of precisely what he bought and how he bought it are still not public. That would be sufficient to explain Yitzhak Shamir's presence and remarks.

Athough I assume Robert Maxwell was talking to Mossad regularly, there isn't a good reason to think he was some kind of super-agent that would explain parts of the Epstein story. In addition, he would have been most useful to Mossad for his contacts in the Soviet Bloc, which didn't pass over to Ghislaine, and were a lot less valuable after 1989 anyway. John Major also hinted that Robert Maxwell had been useful to British intelligence during the collapse of the Soviet Union. Conspiracy theory shower thought - Maxwell jumps off the boat at almost exactly the time he ceases to be useful to British and Israeli intelligence.

The dates also fail to line up for a Robert Maxwell-Epstein connection. Ghislaine moves to New York shortly after Robert dies, and starts dating Epstein about two years later, after the Epstein-Wexner connection (which is the key to Epstein's wealth, and therefore to any sane conspiracy theory) is in place.

Robert Maxwell did know Epstein in the 1980's, but only in the vague sense that all elite coethnics know each other. Their business interests didn't overlap except for about 10 months in 1991 when Maxwell tried to expand in the US - Maxwell was active in the UK and Europe whereas Epstein was focussed on the US and the Gulf.

None of this means that Epstein wasn't Mossad, of course. Just that Mossad didn't use the Maxwell family to recruit him.

Mossad helped Maxwell buy newspapers, and Maxwell allowed Mossad to use his wealth to fund operations in Europe, according to Victor Ostrovsky’s book. In that sense he was a super agent, but it would be more correct to say he was a super saiyan, those individuals who inform Mossad about important details around the globe. And that sounds like a very good line of work for someone like Epstein with his suspicious sum of money and suspiciously intricate recording equipment in his home. According to a separate whistleblower, Ben-Menashe, Maxwell tipped off Mossad about Mordechai Vanunu

The young Robert Maxwell procured weapons for the IDF from Soviet-occupied Eastern Europe during the Israeli War of Independence, and the details of precisely what he bought and how he bought it are still not public.

Cool. I always wondered how they got enough hardware for an early war and how they were able to win. Where did you learn about this? Is there a good book on this man and/or the events?

EDIT: Sorry - I made a wrong turn somewhere.

I think you might have replied to the wrong comment....

Oh, ffs. Thanks!

I think your comment ended up as a reply to something completely different.

The fact that Jeffrey was a channer really does lend a lot of credence to the idea that Ghislaine was a reddit powerjanny.

Ghislaine had mostly moved on with her life after 2008. She was dating the Gateway PC guy and then that younger man and doing her rich woman ocean charity BS project.

The most we know is he met with/talked with moot a few times and looked porn on 4chan. I would be somewhat surprised if he ever posted (words, anyway) or looked at any non-porn boards.

Direct links to 4chan images are not reliable.

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